411: THROWBACK: Nobody Knows How to Make a Pizza by Julie Borowski (October, 2019)

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Julie Borowski  
Hi, my name is Julie Brasky. I think most people probably know me because of my YouTube channel. I've been doing YouTube videos since 2011. A long time. I talked about libertarianism and ideas. And I was big in the Ron Paul movement back in the day. So I've written a book now.

Brian Nichols  
So you wrote this book. And it's in the same realm as a eyepencil. So it's meant though, for children, and I like how you went and made it something that was more engaging for kids to discuss, because it's pizza and everybody loves pizza. So what kind of was the the pathway towards you wanting to write a kid's book versus maybe a book aimed towards adults and such?

Julie Borowski  
Over the years, a lot of parents have approached me and said that their kids actually like watching me on YouTube, because I tend to make my videos kind of fun and positive. So I've had this kid audience for a while and didn't know what to do with it. And I wanted to write a book. I said, Okay, maybe I can write a libertarian book, but I want to do something that hasn't really been done that much. I didn't want to put out a no there libertarian book. Okay. And I also had a baby recently, so that kind of got me started like, okay, hey, what can I do with all this? So I was like, Okay, I want to write this kid's book. What can I do? I thought I pencil is a great story for kids. It's very simple to the point. But I wanted to make it like you said more engaging for kids. So that Okay, kids love pizza. Like if they see a book with pizza on it and be like, I want to read this book. I was like, Okay, let's make this like eyepencil. And let's talk about like invisible hand and spontaneous order and division of labor. Let's take all these complicated things and make them very simple and fun for kids. So that's what I set out to accomplish.

Brian Nichols  
It definitely sounds like you accomplish that, because I've heard nothing but good things. So far from the reviews, from a lot of our great libertarian thinkers. I know Jeffrey Tucker was recommending the book, Rand Paul is recommending the book. So I mean, that just speaks to the, you know, the outreach, and the support really, of our libertarian audience is trying to make sure that we're, we're spreading the word, this awesome book. So this, obviously, I mentioned earlier was about Liberty reads eyepencil. And it's interesting, Julie, I kind of see like, what you're doing with this book, kind of in the realm of like, the Tuttle twins, right, reaching out to these younger demographics. Um, you know, you mentioned congratulations, by the way about you having a kid of your own, I guess, what do you feel looking towards right now, this younger generation of kids growing up in America? Do you kind of feel that, you know, we're setting the foundation for them to to, you know, look at the pro Liberty message and take that forward? Or your with the rise of the AOC? Is the world do you think we have a bit more of a challenge ahead of us?

Julie Borowski  
I think a little bit of both. I like you said, we have the table twins, which is a great book, I promoted myself, I have my book, I know, there's a couple other libertarian kids out there. So we're really getting out and saying, hey, you know, sometimes it's really hard to quote unquote, convert people once they become adults. But if we reach these kids that are early age, they're going to start thinking about these ideas in early age, and hopefully, they can, you know, accept these ideas. So it's really important to get people when they're young, and they're kind of open minded to different ideas, and you can get them there. I see a lot of books. I know, there's a lot of homeschooling parents these days, right? You know, when I was growing up 30 years ago, it was like considered kind of, oh, you're homeschooler? It's kind of weird. Are you like super religious? But now it's kind of more mainstream. There's a lot of non religious parents, why religious parents to still do it, it's become more mainstream. I feel like the homeschooling and there's the unschooling movement, that's kind of big. So I think there is some hope there. I know, there is some, you know, AOC is kind of a disappoint pointing thing. But I think overall, there is more hope. And we know,

Brian Nichols  
yeah, I will say, you know, even to expound upon that, it's interesting to see you my younger sister, for example, she's just going off to college. And I actually did an episode with her just kind of kind of gauging where she is, you know, as a, you know, I guess, Generation Z, which is hard for me to comprehend that she's, you know, that yet, far away from where the millennials were even. And it seems like even her generation is much more in line right now with looking at the market alternatives, you know, looking at Uber and Lyft. And technologies like that, and saying, No, there's definitely a positive to what those have brought to the table. And those really wouldn't have exist. Otherwise, if it wasn't for that, you know, these concepts of liberty, the innovation, the free market enterprise that we have today.

Julie Borowski  
That's really good to hear. Yeah, all this technology and entrepreneurship. And I feel like young people tend to look at entrepreneurship, and Elon Musk, and all these people with like, oh, I want to be like that these days. So that's really cool, because I don't feel like we had as much as that growing up. I know, before the Internet back in the dark ages, or dark ages, you just kind of have like the TV media. Now we've all these people are doing entrepreneurship and amazing things. So that's really great to hear.

Brian Nichols  
Yeah, for sure. And then, you know, kind of circling back to your book, right? So nobody knows how to make a pizza. Let's kind of go in maybe a little bit more into the book itself. So I wanted to kind of walk through if you could from start to finish what what's the process of making the pizza and in the Julie Borowsky version of his book, again, in that kind of realm of eyepencil, how do you mentioned these individual ingredients and how they're all created?

Julie Borowski  
Well, one thing is that nobody knows how to make a pizza. And that title I think, is kind of intriguing, because you're like, wait a minute, what do you mean by that? Like, doesn't a chef know how to make a pizza you just put tomato sauce on the crust cheese and put in the oven, but there's so much more that goes on? That doesn't meet the eye at first, there's millions and millions and people involved. So in the book, I just went through through through a couple people because you know, you can't do everybody but I talked about you know, the farmer who grows the wheat for the crest the delivery person who takes the tomatoes to the factory to make the sauce, the lady who cuts the cheese at the factory. So I all these people that you don't really think about, oh, I'm just eating this pizza, but there's so so many people behind this pizza. And so I talked about that and I kind of talked about how you know there's not a central planner. There's no like pizza King saying okay, guys, we have to make pizza. You do this, you do that you do that. It's just really kind of all these people come together voluntarily. and peacefully all over the world to make this pizza. And they may themselves not even care about pizza, but they do it because of money. And that's not a bad thing. Like, there's kind of like, oh, this money thing. Oh, that's, that's disgusting. No, it's like, profit thing. Money is not a bad thing. Because people work for money, they exchange their skills, and they can use that money to buy whatever they want. So that's actually a great thing. So that's kind of the point of the book that nobody knows how to make a pizza.

Brian Nichols  
It's interesting, too, because I'm Jeffrey Tucker, we're just mentioning from the AI er, American Institute for Economic Research, who was also promoting your book as well. He did an article back in February of this past year. And it was in response to a lot of those videos that AOC was doing at home where she's, she's cooking dinner, and she's trying to relate to her audience. And she was making a sweet potato dish. And Jeffrey Tucker did an article over AI er, and this is actually in line with what you're doing there with, nobody knows how to make a pizza. And it was called Where did AOC get her sweet potatoes. And it pretty much goes through very similar in what you were doing for your book about how the journey for the sweet potato to get to, you know, AOCs kitchen, there's so much that goes into it. And again, it goes to what you're just speaking about there, there's needs to be that incentive for the person who's making the product, whether it's the sweet potato, or you know, the farmer who's milking the cows. I mean, I grew up in Northern New York, and it's very rural, and you know, the livelihoods of a lot of people up there are farmers, but to see, like, that's where it begins, but people in the cities seem to be very detached from, you know, the, I guess the ideas and the realities that the stuff that they get to take advantage of every single day, from the electricity to the foods, they're coming from other places, they just don't appreciate that, that in order for this all to come together in this one Magical Ball of awesome, you have to have that incentive for people to want to actually create those different pieces.

Julie Borowski  
Yeah, we have so much stuff today that it's hard not to take it for granted. You know, you turn on the switch, and oh, the light comes on. And you don't think about it until like, there's a storm, you don't have electricity and all sudden you appreciate things more. So yeah, we have so much stay in part because of capitalism that we don't truly appreciate it. I made this video a couple years ago, kind of talked about, I pencil on my pizza, it was actually I sandwich, or I went through all that's required to make one sandwich because a lot of people were like, Oh, get back in the kitchen. You know, that kind of thing I got from YouTube comments, make it make me a sandwich. I was like, Okay, go after like, I can't make you a sandwich. But I went through all the ingredients in the sandwich and how all these people are involved. So it was kind of just amazing the things that we eat and do every day that we just take for granted. And it's because of the market because of all these people behind it. Who makes these amazing things.

Brian Nichols  
Oh, for sure. So let's cut. You're talking about the book. What's been the feedback like I mean, it's been out for a little bit now and and you've had it on sale on Amazon. So what's been the reaction from some of the folks who have been buying the book and the reaction from the kids.

Julie Borowski  
It's been great. It's still has five out of five stars on Amazon, which is really cool. A lot of people have written nice reviews for me. So that's been great. My favorites are the reviews that say their kid wanted to reread it again. And again, if I was okay, I did a great job there. I've also had, you know, like family, friends who are not political, who bought it like, Oh, I'm just gonna be nice and buy her book. And they're like, Wow, this actually isn't that bad? Because I think, you know, Julie Brasky, the Libertarian commentator puts out this children's book, right? Well imagine it's kind of like political propaganda. But they were like, Oh, this is actually pretty, you know, educational. This is fun. Like that's, that was kind of like the whole point where I wanted to have a broad audience where yes, if you're a libertarian parent, you will appreciate this book. But even if you're not, you're going to appreciate this book. I think this is a book that you can get your nieces and nephews and it's not going to be a big deal.

Brian Nichols  
So where can people go ahead and find nobody knows how to make a pizza if they're interested in buying a copy or they want to get for something as a gift?

Julie Borowski  
It's on Amazon right now. You can just type in nobody knows how to make a pizza and it should come up right now it's in ebook and paperback for bats. The hardback cover should be coming soon.

Brian Nichols  
Awesome. And then how about this, for some you ending off here? Julie, what's coming up in the future for your future endeavors you have any plans in terms of maybe another book or any speaking tours, anything that my audience can look forward to?

Julie Borowski  
I am writing the book now. I'm trying to think about how I've all these ideas in my head and try to get how to put them on paper. So next book is coming because this one has such a great response. It seems like people want more. I'm still doing YouTube videos, and I'm picking those up recently. So hopefully you'll see more of those. And you just I'm just on social media just hanging out on the internet. Julie Brasky. I'm pretty much on all

Brian Nichols  
platforms. Awesome. And I'll make sure I include all those links to your social media but also more importantly, to include the links there too. Nobody knows how to make a pizza over on your Amazon shopping link. So Julie, thank you so much for for taking some time here. to re record after dark Tom Woods took our audio from last time. So I definitely appreciate you come on the show again. And yeah, folks, if you really want to get a great book, it's nobody knows how to make a pizza from Julie broski. Julie, thank you so much for joining the show today.

Julie Borowski  
Thank you for having me on again.

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