Aug. 1, 2022

553: Getting Comfortable with Uncomfortable Conversations

Yes, we have to actually talk to people about the issues that matter to them, even when those conversations might become uncomfortable.

On today's episode, I'm going to talk about how we have to actually talk to people about the issues that matter to them, even when those conversations might become uncomfortable.


It can be scary to bring up the things that are most important to you. It can feel like you're going out on a limb and opening yourself up for criticism or judgment. But it's important! We have so many problems in our world today, and they're not going away unless we talk about them—and don't just listen, but also talk back.


So take a deep breath, and let's get started!


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Brian Nichols  0:00  
Instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show.

Brady Leonard  0:14  
I do think that we in the liberty movement may have a golden opportunity here. And I think we'll probably get this get to this later in the show. But now that people are actually admitting that lockdowns don't work, and you basically just put entire country out of work for absolutely no reason at all that I think, you know, coming up this year, it could be our time to shine.

Brian Nichols  0:33  
I think a lot of people might be more willing to listen to us than they otherwise would be. Well, not only should it be our time to shine, I mean, it's our responsibility. I think it was just because you look at it right. Brady, when you look at the the left and the right, traditionally, we've seen in America, the pendulum swing, from the left to the right, you know, every four 810 years or so you'll you'll see it inevitably swing back and forth. But it pretty much stays in this this left right paradigm. And I think a lot of folks to what we were just speaking to earlier are starting to realize this left right paradigm this this pendulum has been swinging back and forth for 200 plus years now maybe it's not exactly the best way to govern society. And actually, to the contrary, maybe we actually start to look at some other alternatives out there beyond this duopoly. We've been focusing on now for pretty much our entire American history and start to focus on alternative means of not just you know, voting, but also looking at the different parties that are out there. And, you know, I say all that I'm having a debate over my show, that really debate it's more of a roundtable discussing rank choice voting versus that of approval voting with them, Erin Hamlin for the Center for elections science and Kyle Baleia, from Maine actually was helping me and get their rank choice voting proposals into action. So discussing the differences that we can vote to change how the systems are, but also how we can reach people. And I say that because right now people are looking again to different ways of doing things looking to learn and say, Well, this is how we've always done things. What's what's the alternative? What's what's different that we can do, that will yield a different result. And it's on us to not scare them away by telling them that they're not libertarian enough to even have a conversation with us, but rather, to say, Hey, listen, you're asking the right questions, because you're identifying the similar problems that we're identifying. And, and the problem is, the solutions that have been presented far too often from the left and the right have only exacerbated the problems. And we really need to have a fundamental change in the way that we're addressing these problems. And instead of trying to slap Band Aid solutions on to these very, very large, and in many cases, institutional problems, we really need to have these very tough, difficult conversations where it requires us to sit down with one another and, and actually talk about the things that we disagree with. And this is one thing, I saw a meme the other day, that made me kind of chuckle because it's so sad, because it's true that we've seen an entire generation where we've been told not to talk about the things that make us feel uncomfortable, because he's kind of like go along to get along. You don't want to ruffle the feathers, you just want to come in with a status quo. And yet that has led to a society where we know so little about what the other side air quote thinks. And we actually think that we think they think the exact opposite in many cases we build up in our heads what the the straw man argument is, and it becomes the reality becomes what we actually believe they believe in it said you'd go to ask somebody if it was a libertarian belief, what's a conservative believe what's what's a left disbelieve? They'll probably give you the caricature version. But to actually ask that person, what do you believe, you're going to find out that they actually identify a lot of the same problems that we see every single day. And where we need to get better at. And I'm saying this as folks in the greater liberty movement is look for areas of empathy, where we can start to meet people right on that one on one basis. And when we're meeting them on that one on one level, and talking about those issues that they that really mattered to them, we can become that trusted advisor, right, we can become that person that they come to, and start to ask questions beyond the traditional questions that, you know, maybe you'd ask about politics or more philosophical questions, right? Digging beyond the conservative and liberal, you know, talking points and let's actually get to the meat of these, these issues, the root of a lot of these problems. And I think we're going to find and we are starting to find is at the root of all these problems tends to be the state and the state has been time and again, when I talked to folks from the left and the right, it tends to be the bad guy. I mean, I just had my show, or Maya finian or Maya is the head of the SLC pink pistols out in Utah started out on the march for our lines organization. Our scene? Yes, it did. This is wild, right? She She leads pink pistols for LGBTQ rights. And with that, she completely changed her entire view on gun control because she realized that at her, you know, her is a transgendered person and also, those in the transgender community were not being protected by government. And my goodness, you know, she said, we need to be able to defend ourselves. And that's something that we can build a common ground with, in terms of building principles going forward, because we're already acknowledging the same problem states dropping the ball, the state, and actually, in many cases, is actually facilitating that the problems. So if we're acknowledging that and we're coming to that agreement, then we can start to plant the seeds of hey, well look at the other areas that we have, you know, government problems, and us 23 This the part that drove me crazy is that, or am I is a devoted leftist. And on my show, explained why, and in my asking, you can hear that, you know, the questions are like, Okay, well, if we're acknowledging the state has some problems in defending people, then why do you believe that the state is going to be able to put forth complete equality across the board? And you can see kind of, well, I really haven't been able to grapple that question. But you know, here's the talking point. But it's something that definitely is going to plant that seed of, right. And this is, I think, the end game. And I will say, you know this for a sales perspective, you're not going to get somebody to instantly be like, Hey, you're right, right, you just need to let them kind of percolate and have that kind of sit there on their own. And you know, it's going to be two months later, there'll be at the dinner table. And you know, they'll be talking with their crazy uncle, and he'll say something and it'll be like, you know, what, that crazy libertarian say about that? One thing? That kind of made sense? I think they are right, and I'm seeing it applied and exposition that we're talking about or x circumstance here. And that's where we're going to have the most access, you're not going to see that tree grow overnight, it takes time. And you know, with that, we actually have to be willing to, to let it take the time, but at the same point in time, right? We can't be just like going back to that tree and watering every single day and expect them to grow because otherwise we're going to completely drown it and we see that right? Libertarian saying read this book, read this book and hear read another book. That's not how you can get people over to libertarianism up, move them over by telling stories, finding common ground being a problem solver. And then once you become that problem solver, start to solve the issues in their life and create value. Right, and that's where, as a party,

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