734: Targeting Trump - Trump's Indictment & Republican Leadership at a Crossroads

Brian Nichols  
The GOP needs to wake up and learn how to fight back plus Donald Trump indicted. Let's talk about that. Instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Well, hey there, folks, Brian Nichols here on The Brian Nichols Show. And thank you for joining us on of course, another fun filled episode. I am as always your humble host joining you live from our B and C Studios here in lovely Eastern Indiana and today we are talking about the GOP In fact, just seeming to not have any intestinal fortitude when it comes to standing up and fighting back. Specifically when it comes time to actually stand on some conservative principles. Plus, Donald Trump tells us via truth, social he has been indicted for the whole document fiasco of from right now is sitting president George Joe Biden. And are we entering into a banana republic and talk about all that and more today, Kenny Cody from Newsmax, welcome back to The Brian Nichols Show.

Kenny Cody  
Ron, how are you, brother?

Brian Nichols  
I'm doing great, buddy. It's great to be back in the swing of things. I was out of town there last week for my sister's wedding. So unfortunately, we didn't get a a one on one where we get to talk to folks about the happenings of the week. But hey, here, we're gonna catch up this week, talking about the Republicans caving when it comes to the debt ceiling. And now, Donald Trump being indicted by Joe Biden, which is unheard of. And actually, it's unprecedented here. And we're talking about presidential elections. So Kenny, where do you want to start kicking things off today?

Kenny Cody  
We talked about the debt ceiling raise at first. You know, I think the Kevin McCarthy had a really good repertoire going thus far, you know, talking about you know, I don't have any more Ukraine a trying to audit a trying to be fiscally responsible throughout the entirety of the legislature trying to, you know, investigate things like chata interference, trying to investigate, you know, the January 6 spinning and trying to investigate Hunter Biden and the Biden administration's link to Ukraine. So all these issues, especially since a couple of days ago, there was a FBI document that actually connected Boston to being bribed, or a being in connection to a bribe involving Burisma Burisma. I think it's called the the old company that Hunter Biden is on the board of over in Ukraine. So it's been a lot of issues this week. But I think about Republicans in Congress, the most pressing issue is the weakness of the Republican leadership and the GOP house, the weakness of Kevin McCarthy, those in leadership and the fight actually the same people, you know, that actually objected to Speaker McCarthy's candidacy for speaker. The mainly the House Freedom Caucus, speaking out against the debt ceiling bill trying to raise the ceiling limit, suspending the public debt limit until I think the January of 2024, something like that. And just a lot of Republicans that we are actually pretty fond of as low as sort of libertarian populace like me and you are people like Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene actually ended up voting for the bill. But people like Matt Gaetz, Lauren Bovard, Diana horse, Barger, Cory Mills, and others vote against it. So it's been a pretty diverse, pretty much a divide of the party, and oftentimes even a divide in terms of moderates and extremists. And establishment politicians. You had everybody from both aisles vote for both sides of this bill. So just the contingency of the lack of collaboration and the lack of messaging, the lack of willingness to actually fight against the left and state caving till to the Democrats in the Democratic Left, was pretty ambivalent over the last couple of weeks. And so at this point in me, you know, I saw Massey's explanation there, but somebody Taylor greens explanation of it. And while I understand it, I can comprehend it. I don't think, you know, as a debater, in college, there was this thing called cost benefit analysis. And I'm sure you've heard that term before to Brian, where you work in marketing. I don't believe the caught the benefits were worth the costs in this debt ceiling limit bill. And I don't really understand even though I understand some aspects of things that were good about the debt ceiling bill, and I understand that there's some things people say that this is the best deal we could have gotten. I don't think that you would see the same Kevin is on the Democratic side, if this is a Republican led bale of this Republican landlord piece of legislation, you would see Democrats going, well, this is the best deal we could get. We might as well do it now. They'd be fighting it till the very end. So Republicans look foolish, and I wish we could do that as Republicans more often.

Brian Nichols  
Yeah. If you look at the difference really, between Republicans and Democrats, and I'm going to be hyper general here and my, my analysis, but Democrats really seem to win when push comes to shove pool together as a collective, which makes sense when you think about the democratic approach and philosophy when it comes to governing and philosophy and politics. So when you look at the Republicans, we tend to be more like herding cats and we talked about in the libertarian circles, I mean, goodness, that's been our biggest issue forever is that we can't really seem to come together and kind of acknowledge that we're on this path. Towards a an end destination. And while there's going to be discrepancies in differences of opinions, we still are going towards this end goal. When it comes to looking at how the Republicans tend to approach these different, you know, whether it's bills or you know, topical conversations of the day, you see many different perspectives, many different takes. And many of those takes, like you mentioned of Marjorie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massie, they make sense, right? They logically make sense. You're like, yeah, I understand the approach. But when it comes to actually coming together as one, in this case entity, which would be the GOP, I dropped the ball. So let's maybe kind of change the way we're talking about this in terms of creating some recommendations to the GOP, like, what can we do, Kenny, in order, if we are putting ourselves in the shoes of the GOP to actually stand up and have a fighting chance when we're talking about taking on the collective nature? That is right now, democratic politics,

Kenny Cody  
until the end, I mean, I don't understand is willingness to, as soon as the opportunity comes available, have somewhat of a bipartisan opportunistic side that the Democrats might offer to the Republicans is like we take the first available option. I know that the news was saying, you know, Speaker McCarthy was meeting me for time they canceled his meeting, because he was so mad about the deal that was presented. But he still ended up doing the same thing we thought he would do. And that's cave. And I don't really understand this. We are not in a term in a era of bipartisanship. And I don't really don't know how to explain that. And we're going to get into that here. A few minutes. I think we were taught about the Trump indictment. But we are not at a period where centrism and bipartisanship should be prioritized. And I know we have a slim majority in the House. No, we don't have a majority at all in the US Senate. But the very fact that more of a percentage of those neocon Neo cons in the GOP Senate Majority more of a percentage of their caucus voted against this debt ceiling bill than in the house where we have majority is so telling of how weak Republicans are across the country. We have people like Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Josh Hawley, JD Vance, all speaking out against this bill that people who we rely on the most in terms of us actually embodying populist values, and battling libertarian values, abounding and fighting for liberty and freedom, actually saying this debt ceiling bill is ridiculous, this should not pass. There was 35 of the I think 48 of the GOP senators that spoken and voted against this bill. And you're telling me that more of a percentage of the GOP Senate minority who me and you both ostracize about more than any body in the country in being a week and saying that we're going to give the Democrats whatever they want. They're led by Mitch McConnell, who came to Joe Biden more than he heard a que to Donald Trump. You're telling me that that body was braver than the House GOP? That's insane. To me, Brian, I don't understand how we are in a period now. Where we have the power, we had the control of the House majority, and we still can't get what we want. We still can't show fortitude. And we have all these disagreements on all these divides unless the GOP Caucus in the House, who is the most representative of Republican voters and Republican values across the country because they is meant to be the most representative. And we still cannot collaborate, get together and actually fight against the people who hate us. They hate us, Brian. And I don't really know how else to explain to Republicans who want a better deal. And this is the best deal we could have gotten. McCarthy did good. No, no, man, these people hate our guts. And they will give us anything we ever want. When we're in the minority. Can you name one thing that Republicans got when Nancy Pelosi when and he or you know, other speakers of the house? I think there's disclosed in the last couple years, but whenever Pelosi has been in the majority have been the House Speaker. I can't name one thing Republicans have been forgotten. But now we're giving the Democrats whatever we want. After the idea that for some reason, we're caving to Joe Biden and his administration, as soon as we get the power and this the same thing John Boehner did that that same thing, Paul, Ron did, the last strong speaker we had was Newt Gingrich. And that and that was because he was the majority leader during the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton actually got us a lot of good economic spending packages, was sending us money had the best economy in the last 20 years, because he actually fought for Republican values against a Democratic administration, who was socialist and I don't really understand this idea that we have to get the best option available. No be locked Newt Gingrich in that house majority in the 1990s in the early 2000s. And thought, don't you don't have to Kate, I don't know what President Kevin McCarthy and all these. All these these GOP leaders are going off of the autonomy barely got anything done in the house majority is when we actually fought the Democratic administration and 1990s against Bill Clinton and we won so why in the world are we caving now? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Brian Nichols  
Now let me play devil's advocate because this has been And the argument I've heard from some, we shall say moderate, the Republicans in the House caucus, but also, a lot of those representatives in purple states. Hey, Kenny, if we're trying to win elections, I got to be able to go back to my district, which is a purple district and say like, Hey, I'm not one of those crazy, insane conservatives who's going to walk us off a financial cliff, what's the take there for those congressional representatives in those purple districts?

Kenny Cody  
They don't care. I'm going to tell you, the independents don't know what the debt ceiling is. They don't care what the debt ceiling is. They're not going to pay attention to the news and say, well, this Republican voted against the debt ceiling. So now I'm gonna vote against him. No independent with a rat mind is saying that if that's their one issue, I bet that is about point 1% of voters in swing districts across the United States. Do you know what does heart is these Republicans and he's weak Republicans who may get primary now, because they voted for this bill. Like I've already seen people who are going to try and primary like I'm not, we have to lower bloomers of the world who say they're gonna move to Georgia prime a minority of the green, that's not going to happen. But you actually have a guy in Kentucky I actually forget his name. He wrote, I think he ran for office or speculated room for office the last couple of months from past couple of years and this election, and he's still my primary and Thomas Massie Celie. For this bill, like, I don't think Massey has a chance of losing, but the fact that there's even conversations in primary, the most libertarian, small government conservative in the house, I can only imagine how other Republicans in these swing districts or even heavy Republican districts feel the only people who cared about this happening were Democrats in strong democratic districts, and strong blue districts, and Republicans and strong Republican districts, those in the swing districts, they're not gonna look at the depths in the middle and go well, because they voted red that raise the debt ceiling, which a lot. And then this is not enough not being detrimental against voters. I'm not saying this in offense. But even I don't understand the all the intricacies of what the VIP ceiling means, like I understand I like basic economic level and understand what it means in terms of how of house rules, packages and storage of economic packages, all that kind of stuff, trying to get past and try to get spinning packages past. But the problem is, is that people who do know, what it means are the ones that think that it should have been voted for the ones that did the Democrats that didn't know what it meant, is looking at this as a vote and a and a win over the Republicans and swing voters are like, you know, I can understand both sides. So if you can't, if you can understand both sides, why did you vote against the fiscally conservative move? Why did you vote to give a win to the Democrats and the minority? Again, I don't understand. Like I told me before, like my friend, Jimmy fasion is the Tennessee House Republican caucus chair right now. Okay. So we had the whole testing expulsion of Tennessee three, right, like a few, a few, a couple months back over the gun violence protests and they got expelled from the house. And I was telling people, you don't think he's he should be nervous. Republicans should be nervous in the state. No, because it's elephants in comparison to ants. That's all the Democrats in Tennessee are they have a similar they have a 25 member or around the mid 20s members in the House GOP in the Tennessee House representatives in the GOP has 72. Okay, they shouldn't be scared because Tennessee is a strong red state. And the same way Republicans shouldn't hate the Democrats because they're in the minority. We actually won the house. And we're not drawing a clear line between what economic differences there are between Democrats or Republicans because there is no line. For some reason we caved again, it looks like we all agree on economics and we don't. So why did we cave this time when we actually control a chamber? it aggravates me so bad, that Republicans support this Katie, are the moderates swing state people, whatever vote how they have to. But our problem was was with the strong Republicans who have never voted for any sort of economic spending package. I mean, I get done making doing it right from Nebraska. I've got I got it. I understand why he does it. I understand why they knew the new New York members didn't Michael Waller who beat Donald I get it. But the problem is, we had Republicans in our plus 35 districts that voted for this thing. The fact that Kevin McCarthy can't wrangle these cats is insane to me, and we've got to start fighting back. And I don't know how many times I have to say it. We have got to start fighting like Democrats. I wish we were more like Democrats in that way in strategic power. I don't understand why we don't do it.

Brian Nichols  
Yeah. You've said that many times on the show that Republicans need to be more like Democrats when it comes to actually getting things done. And I guess you know, one of the questions that's going to be up there right now for Republicans is is Kevin McCarthy, the future for the Republican Congress? Is he going to continue to be THE HOUSE SPEAKER Because part of the deal that was established when the the Freedom Caucus and some of the more weary conservatives did in fact vote for Kevin McCarthy speakership was that he was going to toe the line and really listen to this conservative faction. And if he didn't, there was just enough of those members who, you know, they signaled their distaste towards the McCarthy speakership that they could do a more or less a vote of no confidence and switch up the speakership. So this is going to absolutely carry through the rest of this year into the elections. I'm curious to see where things head this actually kind of goes hand in hand to in terms of you know, talking about fighting back, let's go towards our other topic of the day Kenny, and that is Donald Trump indicted for classified documents that he brought back to mar Lago Mar Lago when he left the White House there in 2020. Joe Biden's DOJ saying this is a big nono, despite the fact that Joe Biden himself as Vice President and Senator basically did the same thing. Only he did it in the more egregious fashion. So man, Kenny, I mean, I don't want to make the doom and gloom reach reach over the show here today. But is this not Banana Republic stuff or what?

Kenny Cody  
It is? You know, I think I said on the last show I was talking about, well, it was either the last show the show the show before when we were talking about the descent was Trump battle. And I tweeted 32. Eye was the candidate who the nanny state the establishment the bureaucracy hates the most. And that's not more ambivalent of who is going to be a candidate than Donald Trump. And I don't understand. They're like Mitt Romney, and Mike Pence and Chris Christie and ASA, Asa, Hutchinson, have all come out and say, well, justice will prevail, we need to move on from Donald Trump. And I keep on saying, Why, like, why do we need to be voting for Donald Trump because the FBI and the CIA said so, because he's doing things that Presidents Bush, and Obama and Biden have done, because he took documents back they had no dangerous implement implications. And even if he did, all he had to do was say, I want executive privilege. And I want these documents. All I had to do was declassified him, he could have kept him. So why is this that big of a deal? I'll tell you why it's that big of a deal. It's because they don't want to have a nomination. Because I think that there's this fear, even if there's a small percentage, even if Democrats think that Donald Trump is gonna win the election. 24. And there's Republicans that think that there's independents that think that their opponents, analysts, whatever that think that he's not going to be the president Trump in 2024. But there's always 2016 They don't want what happened in 2016. to happen again, even if they don't think he's going to win. They don't want to risk it, because he they know now that he will gut every single nation state department, every single Deep State Department and the United States government to its bare bones, I think it's president in and that's what I won't, he has already said that he will gut the CI gut, the FBI, hopefully got the ATF got the NSA and get the DOJ. That's what they fear, the most broad. They fear that if this man gets the presidency, even if they think it's a small percentage, even if they would rather go against him than the scientists, they don't want him they don't want him to be the nominee, the nominee, and I can't see any other reason why this man is being targeted why he is in a row like that EG and Carroll case, the New York case, the Georgia cases coming up, or he called them one votes, or whatever, that's gonna be what you're allowed to do for the First Amendment. So I don't really understand why I do understand. I'll rephrase that I do understand what's happening. Everybody is so scared right now. Am makes me nervous to be nervous, a former Republican president is being targeted, why he is bad people who are perceived him that we pay to protect us against hair. But it also makes me excited because if they fear him this much, it gives me confidence for 2024. They know there is some because I've say this, as much as I hate those three departments that we talked about, they know that the Americans are probably better than we know ourselves, and a lot of ways. So if they fear him this much, they know there has to be a chance that he has a chance at them out at the not only the nomination, but the general election 2024. And that part's true. There's no other candidate that I hope can gut the nanny state than Donald Trump. And I hope he gets another opportunity to do that.

Brian Nichols  
So I'm gonna I'm gonna follow up on this with a question with regards to how this impacts Trump's prospects here for 2024. But first, Kenny, I gotta get my pushback, right, because I as much as I have liked some of the things that Trump has done when he was in the White House. There's also a lot of them like, Well, where did Why didn't you take care of this in the first four years? I understand. He was trying to run for reelection. I understand that he was trying to put air quotes the best people he could in positions that he thought would help him take rein of the administrative state but we've seen time and again, this administrative state continuously turn against And I guess Kenny, I just, I'm a little jaded when I look at what Trump did not only when he was in the White House, but frankly, when he left the White House having the opportunity to pardon Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, instead of giving the Medal of Freedom to Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx. So I, I'm a little cautious, maybe a lot of cautiousness there in terms of Trump actually being serious and doing something about this. What has changed, in your opinion from his 2016 to 2020 reign as President to what would take place from 2024 to 2028. If he were to be reelected here?

Kenny Cody  
I think that in second terms, I mean, you see it with so many presidents, you see it with so many politicians even I mean, even on the outskirts of these senators who are getting trying to get to their last term, they have announced retirement or they have an ethicist their last term, for example. I'm sure you're aware of George Santos from New York, Rob Brown. Yes. Okay. So if you look at his voting record, it is among the best, even though he went he was plus eight, and he won by eight points in a band district. He is voting the way he wants to he is voting as basically literally a small government guy. He's not voting as a moderate. He's not trying to win over voters in New York. You know why that is? It's because he doesn't care. He knows he's done. He knows it's over. And while I like George Santos, he follows me on Twitter, I DM him sometimes sending the marbles. But I liked your Santos but in a lot of ways, mainly because his voting record. But the reason he doesn't get he votes, the way he does is because he doesn't care. And that's the way Trump's gonna be in a second term of his presidency. Once you get elected to a second term, you get whatever you want done, basically, if you have any sort of control in the Senate in the house, and I think If Trump were to win in 2024, in some way that is going to give us some sort of power because you Carly can win the presidency while losing the Senate in the house. So if Trump wins in 2024, that means he has won the house or he has won the Senate on the two or both. So if he gets a second term, I've seen it so many times, especially in terms of governorships, and given material races. When a governor is on the last outskirts in states that like limit terms, like if you look at Billy in Tennessee, if you look at Ron DeSantis, in Florida, and their second term, they can do whatever they want, because they're not running for reelection again, because they're prohibited to so if Trump is is going to run for this election run, to be the Republican nominee run to be the president again, if he wins, he is going to go scorched earth on the government. He's gonna go scorched earth on the very intricacies of a government, the man you despise in terms of spying on Americans. I mean, I understand. I understand that, you know, he gave the Medal of Freedom to fascism Burke's instead of pardoning Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, I get all that, and that's a fair criticism. But that was still I think that there's these the argument that that was still in his first term, he was still on the outskirts, he was still trying to wait to wait as much as he could see what's going to happen, then with the election, the election to you know, two months basically be confirmed. It's not like at least I think that in a second term, he is the candidate that's going to go scorched earth on the establishment. And I know that libertarians and independents are so sick of hearing that, you know, he appointed Christopher way and he appointed he, you know, make sure that if actually had power and Burke's jumbo a lot, a lot, a lot, I get it. But that was still the first term of his presidency at 2018. He had control of near the house. No, they didn't have control the House and barely had control, the Senate actually lost the Senate 2020. I think if he's given another opportunity to do this, and he's made such definitive, specific statements, and I don't think that was true in 2020. And I barely think it was true or true 2016 Because I don't think the Trump was really familiar with the intricacies of the deep state the intricacies of federal departments until he was president. And I think the he would have gutted if he would have won in 2020. He would have gutted the federal departments. He just didn't he wasn't afforded the opportunity to because I think he had experience in them. And I think there comes a point where you have to kind of realize like, he's unhinged in a lot of ways, and I think that's why we're all Republicans and independents don't like him is because he is unpredictable. And I think unpredictable is the best sort of candidate we can have, as we've seen examples of in I would like more unhindered, but representatives in the US House to fight against the debt ceiling bill, to be quite honest with you. So everybody kind of tells me he's on hand. He's crazy. He's going to ruin the country. I don't know about ruining the country, but if ruining the government means eliminating these or gutting these departments down to their bare bones, you know, he spoke out of Is the IRS he's spoken against the FBI. He is out, they'll say this, and I'll make the definitive statement. I don't think it can hardly, besides maybe Ramaswamy right now, but my Republican presidential candidate, I don't know if I've ever heard so strict and stripping language, as Donald Trump is used in his 24 primary campaign. And when it comes to gutting federal departments, I don't know that I've ever heard it. Ron Paul, maybe Ron Paul in oh eight or on Paul 2012. May have been close. But I think we have more evidence now than we've ever had, that the DOJ, FBI, the CIA and the IRS are, can target conservatives, I can target Republicans can target political opposition. And now that we have that evidence, and we've heard so many specific statements by Trump, that he is going to get them. I think that I believe him. And I don't know if I could say that heartless, besides Ron Paul, I don't know if I can, I can go back and look and see if I can see that ever in American history, where that definitive sort of statements he has made on true social and in his campaign videos of how he's going to come back to Deep State and combat the federal departments that mean you despise. I don't know if that's ever happened before in American history. And that's why I think that it's made me even more of a Trump supporter if I wasn't before. Like it's made me more invigorated to support him. And I think that's going to be telling for all Republicans across the country like they're seeing this before their very eyes on CNN, MSNBC, Swat, Fox News, New Matt, Newsmax OEM, whatever you whatever you watch, you're seeing it every single day, you're seeing the coverage of them and not in this man and targeting the president, instead of fighting terror. And looking at what school shooting happening next, they're targeting a president for holding documents in his vacation home. So I think there's more evidence now than ever before that if we allow this madman whom I love to be back in the White House, I think we're gonna see a gutting of federal apartments like we've never seen before.

Speaker 1  
And this goes to part two of my question, Kenny, and that is the electability question, Will this in fact, hurt or help Donald Trump's chances in 2024? My gut opinion, I think, is kind of where you were just kind of leading us here. On your your last response there. And that is, I think this is going to help Trump frankly, because a lot of folks are seeing this for what it is. And if you're talking about your average voter, I mean, go out there and you tell them what's taking place? Yeah, I think a lot of them, while they may or may not have the personal favorite towards Trump, they see this for what it is it's a political attack. And it just feels dirty, right? It just feels like this. This current administration is weaponizing, the Department of Justice to go after a political rival. And that's not supposed to be who we are. And I personally believe excuse me that that's going to help Trump as he moves forward here in 2024. And if anything is going to help him, isolate himself from the rest of the GOP field, because Ron DeSantis doesn't have the DOJ GO AFTER HIM Nicola, Nikki Haley's not having the DOJ go after her. So I really do believe this is going to help Trump's prospects for the GOP primary, but also for the 20 Tory 24. General Election. Kenny, what's a you

Kenny Cody  
think for the primary especially, I mean, let's let's do a formula. Okay. When a when about three to four of the top presidential candidates have to come out in support of another presidential candidate? That's usually not good. Right? Like milagrow saw me, Ron DeSantis. And I think like Perry Johnson, and a couple others had to speak up and say this is wrong. I mean, you have Chris Christie, and Hutchinson or whoever say it saying that this shouldn't be happening, right? This should be happening, right? He's based for the nominee. But when you have the top three, the top four, more than likely are to the top four, and the scientists and Ramaswamy saying, I will pardon Trump if something happened to him, and I will ensure that the United States is gutted, and they will never come out for Republicans, the DOJ should be weaponized, whatever. The fact that they have to come out and say, Hey, we're supporting Trump on this, we're going against the government. The fact that the Trump is being supported by his opponents, is pre telling about where the primary is going to go. That's going to basically means that Donald Trump's gonna be the 24 presidential nominee. And these guys are just placing for second, third and fourth and fifth, I guess I'm trying to fight for cabinet spots on this I'm supposing. So that especially with primary voters, Republicans being invigorated trying to go out and say, there's gonna be Republicans, I guarantee you that they were saying, I was kind of like, we should move on for Trump. But now I think we're the DOJ and everybody's trying to go after him. We should just piss them off and try to go to at them again with the same guy because they evidently hate him this much. You're gonna have those Republicans, you're going to have the moderate Republicans who are going to go out in droves and vote for Donald Trump in the primary in the general election scope, I think you're also going to have that because is here's the thing to look at polling, and I forgot who actually did this. But in that first New York indictment when New York and out of Donald Trump, they did polling, and I think around like 61% of independents thought it was politically motivated. I mean, now Democrats were so weird about it, because it would their ass lock. Do you support the dog? They're like, yes. And then they go, is it politically motivated? Like also? Yes, those insanity. But I Republicans, of course, not going 95 And not in 90, or like a supporting and then saying it's politically motivated, but the fire there's the port number, there's the independence, right, like if the independents think that it's politically motivated, that basically means that they believe that the bad administration is in terms corrupt, and the Democrats are corrupt. That's the interpretation of that. While they may think Trump's not the best guy in the world, they may not think that he has the best chance they may, they may think that he says some foolish things and does some foolish things. Sometimes, if if you believe that Donald Trump is being targeted by the DOJ and the FBI and the CIA, that also kind of means you're saying Biden is using his tools to corrupt his opponent, in terms that probably translates to votes in some sort of fashion with independence. And I think that that's really going to be the determining factor. It will to determining factors, invigorate Republicans to come out in the primary, and then invigorate Republicans to come out in the general and say, we may not like this guy, we might well, I won't say like, we may not afflicted with this the golfer out now, but not but they pissed us off so much that we're gonna get him again, and we're gonna piss you off that choice state, you're gonna have those Republicans are coming out in droves for him, including me. And then you're going to have independents who are saying, I don't want either these guys. Right. That's the way the most independents think. Because I don't know who said it. But I think there was there was a poll that said the independents believe that the Trump and dominant was politically motivated back when he was in New York. Right. So in terms of independence, being motivated to think that Biden is corrupt thinking about administration as corrupt, that's gonna be the determining factor. And I think that if the indictment in taxes Republicans to turn out I think in the same way that if the independents are going to the to the the ballot booth and saying undecided voters because undecided voters overall I'm not trying to alienate anybody, okay, because I know there's probably undecided voters that are turning into your podcast brown because they Libertarian Party people that made vote for Donald Trump Biden or the LP nominee, but undecided voters oftentimes are viewed as some of the most misinformed in terms of news, right, like not being aware of new stories, not being aware of policy, all that kind of stuff, because, like I said, not saying that, not being biased and not trying to be hateful towards undecided voters. But if you convince those people, that the indictment is politically motivated, in terms they think something negative about the other candidate, while they may say, hey, Trump did some stupid things, Trump did some corrupt things, whatever. If they really believe that the bottom ministration was weaponizing federal departments against presidential candidate that's probably going to translate into votes, especially on the on the undecided voters on the independent side. So all in all, I think that the indictment helps. I think this is probably at least the weakest indictment so far. I think the New York data is pretty weak up in the EMG, EEG and Carol case is pretty weak. I think that the files, the vows and document is pretty weak. The Georgia case is probably the strongest case in terms of trying to get them to change votes or whatever. And him being on recording and calling Secretary of State and stuff. I understand all that. But I still think that's Wait, that's probably the strongest case there is even though I don't think any of the of the four indictments are going to in reality matter. But I think this is just another cog in the machine. I think that this indictment, if anything, because you don't see Democrats supporting it, right? I mean, you see some generic statements and saying, hey, you know, Trump's corrupt Yay, we got him like you're gonna see those troll accounts and those who have all those followers on Twitter, but don't work for anybody. You see that a lot. But you're not seeing these Republican Democrat politicians going yeah, getting because they know like, they know in their hearts that like this is corrupt. This is a weaponization of power, like that's all this is. This is a politicization of federal departments. This is a weaponization of federal department power, and they're not going to be celebrating that because they know that independents aren't going to be be you know, invigorated going, hey, yeah, they got Trump finally now I'm gonna go vote Democrat, like that's not working with independent voters. So overall, I think it's going to help Republicans, I think it's going to help Trump especially in the primary, and I think Democrats are going to continue to shoot themselves in the foot in these local districts.

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