968: Why Are So Many Canadians Moving to America?

Brian Nichols  0:00  
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Speaker 1  0:55  
doing? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me. Great to have you on the show,

Brian Nichols  0:59  
bud. Uh, looking forward to digging into all things Canada, which is a country that it does have a near and dear spot in my heart, namely because I lived right across the border from Canada up in Northern New York for what well over two decades, so very familiar with our neighbors to the north. But before we dig into all things Canada, is it a failed state? Economic consequences and more? William, do us a favor. Introduce yourself here to The Brian Nichols Show audience, if you'd be so kind. Hey,

Speaker 1  1:24  
thanks so much. Well, so I'm a political theorist and private consultant, as well as, like you're saying, contributor for young voices presented my work all around the world. I can publish in a whole bunch of places, old ocean newspapers, peer reviewed journals, and like you're saying, I'm here with you today to discuss how the tariffs that President Trump has imposed on Canada are not really, not really predicated on economics so much as Canada becoming a dire national security threat to the United States of

Brian Nichols  1:49  
America. And I'm sure, like 80% of the the folks who are more in that squishy middle or even more left leaning side of the political aisle here in the audience, they're probably hearing you say that and say, What a national security threat Canada, William, say it ain't so. But actually, if we go into your article that we're going to talk about here today, from the political insider, you paint a picture, William, and it's not exactly a rosy one. Looks like. Canada has been facing some pretty, pretty tough domestic issues, even though they're a hop skipping a jump. From a lot of us here in the continental United States, it's an issue I think a lot of us are actually very unaware of. So set the stage for us, William, what's happening up in Canada? And why are you arguing it's on the edge of becoming a failed state?

Speaker 1  2:32  
Well, I think to start it, it displays the two quintessential hallmarks of any failing or failed state, right? Number one, it's unable to maintain a monopoly on the legitimate use of force inside its borders, and it's unable to secure its own borders, right? And this has allowed a lot of the national security issues that have started to reside and inhabit the Canadian state to leak over and dribble over into the United States, where Americans start to wreak havoc there, I think all species of crime, Scott rock in Canada, since the advent of the Trudeau Government, way back when we're happy to see them gone. But since they were in power, violent crime has gone up by 39% and I think the violent crime Severity Index was an indicator of the use here in Canada is at its highest point since 2007 so so things really aren't looking good from from that perspective. And like President Trump has pointed out, we've got fentanyl again, migrating over the border from Canada the United States or America, and then the America. And the big issue there is that Canada has gone from being a place where a fentanyl kind of passes through transport, transported through to a place that produces fentanyl, right? I think very recently, we had our biggest bust in Canadian history. And so we very much changed from a transporter to a hub, a global hub of fentanyl export.

Brian Nichols  3:41  
So William, one, one thing you just outlined there, I've actually heard quite a few folks make this, make this issue seem like it's not a big issue, because they say, Well, what 40 pounds of illegal drugs or fentanyl were captured going over the Canadian border? I think it was last calendar year. I could be wrong with the specific time frames, but the argument saying, Well, why are we spending so much time energy and effort, William, focusing on our neighbors to the north? Shouldn't we be spending more time, energy and efforts focused on our neighbors to the south, being what we've seen taking place in Mexico? I'm gonna dare say that your article paints the picture that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. But help, maybe just dispel that narrative that just because it's only 40 pounds of fentanyl, it's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 1  4:28  
Well, it's not only 40 pounds. I think that's the thing. Since 2022 alone, domestic fentanyl production in Canada. So that's fentanyl that's produced in Canada, not just passes through, has skyrocketed by more than 300% and recently, this year, police in Canada sees 96 million doses of fentanyl that are about to cross the border, so it's not just 40 pounds. I think that that's just simply not true, right? That's where we can start. And I think again, the issue is very much where that arrow is pointed, and it's pointed towards fentanyl production, right? The cartels have realized that Canada is a happy home for this kind of stuff, especially with our porous borders, right? And they kind of go ahead and hit. In, they've realized that we've lost control on our justice system. I think it's McDonald Laurie Institute had a quote in their last Justice Report, or which is an evaluation of the Canadian justice system here, that Canada appear to have given up on its legal responsibilities and kind of enforcing the law here. And that's quite serious. I think that the cartels and criminal organizations have definitely recognized that they're able to set up shop here, and then when they need to export fentanyl from here to the United States or elsewhere in the world, they're able to do so quite easily. And I think that's very much the problem, that that arrow is pointing towards more production here in Canada, domestically, and more export to other corners of the world, not just America.

Brian Nichols  5:36  
So let's talk about this, because I hear a lot of folks who like to tout their principles and how pure they are and how you know, how perfectly ideological they are, right? They look at Canada and they say, well, they are very similar to us culturally. This just seems like we're inviting a conflict with our Canadian neighbors, right, where we're leveraging tariffs on them, where we're not embracing a true open border to help with the free exchange of goods and services. I hear this argument all day long, and elephant in the room. A lot of it's taking place in the the confines of libertarian Facebook groups, which we know William, of course, that is where the only, the only best ideas of truth and purity are our outline, but just let's help set the stage here from the ideological standpoint, William, because I found myself, over the past few years, very much drifting away from what you consider to be the pure libertarian mentality to saying, Hold on. We have to live in this thing called the real world, right? And we're seeing a lot of other countries react to what we're seeing take place here in America, and I'm sorry, idealism and ideology are not going to fix the issues we're seeing here. So what are you seeing in your kind of analysis of the American, Canadian relationship? Is it that we're not libertarian, libertarian? Inc, there we go. Or principaling hard enough, or are we starting to see the reality of maybe I'm not gonna call them flawed perspectives, but, you know, well intentioned perspectives, right? Actually being slapped in the face with this thing we like to call reality.

Speaker 1  7:11  
Well, let me, let me ask you a question, when you leave the state of nature, right? The state of nature, the state of utmost liberty, right, unparalleled and so obviously you're leaving the state of nature. You're departing to a state where there's not so much liberty, right? There has to be a reason that people are renouncing this, this incredible Liberty, liberty that so many people believe to be the ultimate purpose of a state, right to kind of promote and enshrine and protect the liberty of its populace, right? And that that reason is essentially security, to kind of cut to the chase, right, liberty, all of our personal rights are all predicated on security right, and once the state loses its ability to secure the rights of its populous, namely, their liberty, their freedom, all these great things that really does have to be its fundamental concern. It's very much an order of operations. You can have the rest of it for sure, and you should obviously endeavor towards them at all times, but you need to be able to protect and secure them. This is something that Locke Tocqueville Montesquieu all agree upon, and I think that's very much what's happened here the United States of America is security, its national security, being fundamentally compromised by these flows of international migration from states such as Canada, such as Mexico and elsewhere in the world, and everything that they brought with them, and President Trump quite rightly said that the United States of America needs to re establish national national security within its borders before it can start to think about promoting liberty and these human rights, both internally and externally, to this, this idealistic perspective that we're just talking about. And I think that's very much just just the case like the United States of America needs to take States of America needs to take the necessary steps to ensure its own national security before it can again promote liberty internally and externally. To that idealistic level,

Brian Nichols  8:50  
it almost feels, William, that for every person who's saying what you're saying in a very level headed perspective, there is an equal, if not maybe just more vocal side that's saying, Well, no, these, anything we do in the pursuit of securing our national interest is actually, it's a hate crime, right? Like, and this is where I get so stuck with, I call it the goofballism, right? Where you have the goofball folks out there, whether they're, you know, they're, they're the most pure libertarians or the most pure progressives or leftists, or even on the other side. Now the most pure magnetarians or the pure the purest anarchist, doesn't matter to me. When you when you get so intoxicated with the ISM, right, you can almost start to to you're jumping past the reality right in pursuit of trying to obtain your your perfect world, your utopia, which we make fun of our friends on the left, you know the communist perspective of well, everything, if we just were able to control all these variables, it would be a perfect communist utopia. And we say exactly you can't control all these variables. Hence the beauty of the marketplace. And yet, I see the exact same perspective with a lot of our friends in the libertarian camp. And I'm just, I'm gonna pick on them, because that's where a lot of my prior political beliefs are rooted in. And by the way, I'm very much still philosophically a libertarian. But there's a lot of areas I say, Hey guys, we have to really reconsider, if not, the way that we sell and message these different solutions. I would say on the other side, we have to really better understand, are the solutions we're promoting actually making things better, or are they making things better in a vacuum, where we do control all the variables, right? And I had this conversation with, oh goodness. Ethan Brown, no, I forget. Doesn't matter. It does matter. But we're talking about tariffs a few episodes ago, and I was having this conversation from young voices, yeah, help me out here. What's his name? I think you

Speaker 1  10:43  
might have it. I was talking today. I was talking to him today. Grogan, there we go. Remember him, yeah?

Brian Nichols  10:48  
Aiden. Grogan, sorry. And Aiden, I haven't had a good, yeah, we had a good back and forth. Um, but, like, even Aiden was able to come to the table and say, Listen, you know, everything I'm talking about is in the pursuit of, you know, an end goal. And I'm like, Yeah, me too, and I'm seeing the end goal we have right now, not really in our favor. Now, that's a battle that I've had a lot with my libertarian friends. But you look at in this case, right? You're talking about Canada, not from an economic standpoint, but actually from a safety security standpoint. America and a lot of folks therein have this perspective of live and let live. You know, and you know, I very much embrace the old Ben Franklin quote, the society who tries to secure security in the name of freedom will, I'm gonna butcher it, will have neither and sacrifice both, or it's something like that man all my libertarian friends are. So he's not a real libertarian. He doesn't know his own quotes. But no, when you look at folks like Ben Franklin, right, like that is the ethic that we carry forward, but there very much is that, okay? Does that ethic hold true to the situation you find yourself in? Right? It's something if you have as a standard of saying, hey, eating healthy, losing weight, that's the best way to live your life. Okay, great. But what if you're you're anorexic, right? Maybe you need to eat some more calories, right? And in the context of where you're starting out from, is absolutely important. So I say all that, are we seeing a moment right now where reality is meeting the ISM and it's starting to make us have some very tough and, dare I say, uncomfortable conversations.

Speaker 1  12:24  
Yeah, I think that what you've really touched upon is this perennial gulf between theory and practice, right? I think it's this, again, like an affliction of people in poli sci 101, where they have all these wonderful ideas, right? And they see everything's in shades of black and white, right? But in reality, when you get into the world and practical politics, let's say everything's a lot more gray. You very much do try to adhere to your ideology, and that very much is your guiding force, or kind of like your underlying principles. But when it comes to kind of really accomplishing things and being able to maintain something like a state, I think, like you yourself, pointed out, you have to embrace things that seem to be ideologically contradictory, but in reality, go hand in hand with maintaining these, again, these predicative principles that you yourself believe in, right? I think, for instance, with regards to the whole free trade thing that we're just talking about, the borders, you could take the stance that President Trump, any president, their fundamental duty is to their own state right and maintaining as much liberty impossible within those borders. And you could take the stance again, that perhaps Canada was more of a disease or a blight or a tumor that needed to be cut away from the American body in order to preserve and even enhance that Liberty right, either the President's duty, no Americans duty is to the Canadian state right. And I think, in fact, like if you were, let's say, a state that bordered upon another state with such serious national security issues, and you didn't enjoy the relationship the United States of America and Canada, do, I think that there would be very real conversations being had, at least internally the United States of America about what would need to be done across along that border in order to maybe help secure that state.

Brian Nichols  14:04  
And this is where, again, I know we just touched on this just the the the idea of what should be versus what is right. And this is, this is the battle that we're seeing wage right now. And by the way, it's very it's very convenient for folks who are talking about the what should be to make their arguments. Because I could say everybody should have, you know, lollipops and puppies, and that's the world that I would love to live in one day, William. But then there's this thing called real life, and I just, I don't know, like, and help me here, William, when we're trying to make the sale, right? Because, because, if anything, politics is like, I would say, 30% policy and 70% selling the policy, like in terms of selling the policy, it seems like there's a lot of folks who are leveraging, I would call this weaponized empathy, to try and not just make their case, William, but shut down. Down outright, like dismiss people's concerns. You know, you're mentioning the national security threat that that Canada may face, but there are folks who will just outright reject that and say, Yo, William Canada is one of our closest neighbors. They're our best friends, and they will just they will reject the concerns entirely. What do we do in trying to, like, build some type of common ground with that type of person? Well,

Speaker 1  15:28  
what I point out is, perhaps that I think it's 43% of Canada's youth are in favor, and this was a month or more ago, right? So that number has definitely gone up, but 43% of Canada's use youth are actually in favor of annexation by the United States of America. Really? They believe that, yeah, they believe, yeah, 100% sorry, but yeah, 43% of Canada is used, right? And that's, that's a statistic that doesn't really get trotted out very much, because it paints a much different picture, right? I anybody who who has need for hope or a future in Canada has decided that they would rather be annex that hope in that future. Don't lie within the Canadian state, right? And that's because the Canadian state is failing. I mean, our economy is in shambles. We can't guarantee national security, and our democracy has eroded so badly that we I don't know if you know this, but there's the democracy index, right, which is, again, an indicator for kind of democracy in a country, how healthy it is, this kind of stuff, right? And our score went down so precipitously, declined so precipitously in Canada that we brought the entire score for the region of North America down so low that for the first time in the history of the democracy index, Europe surpassed us. Right? So that's just how bad. Let's say things are in the Canadian state currently, you know, and nobody seems to know it, except for people in Canada, like you're saying, there's this weaponized empathy or kind of this, I don't want to say, ring of guide you, so it's not quite right, but people see what they want to see. With regards to the Canada us relationship and even the Canadian state, we're still seen as this great Peacemaker and kind of this, this bastion of liberal, liberal principles and multiculturalism and diversity, and that's really just come crashing down around our ears.

Brian Nichols  17:08  
All those things you just mentioned that the multiculturalism diversity, right? Those used to be, it feels like the metrics that people really, really cared about. And this might, I don't know this might sound the right word is, it might sound like dismissive. I just, I've never understood why that is the metrics by which we are basing whether or not a society is doing well or not right. And I hear this all the time from folks who, especially in the more progressive open borders mentality of saying, Well, no human is illegal, right? Anybody should be able to across a board, an imaginary line, or to, you know, obtain work, or, you know, seek refuge. And I hear that, but it's like, Guys, come on, like, let, let's at least acknowledge what's happening before us. And and when you see that any any debate, or not even debate, just anybody who would say, Hey, hold on. I have questions, right? Can I can I voice some concerns? They are told to sit down and shut up. And if you don't, it's because you're a bad person, right? It's not because you have a different perspective or because you have legitimate concerns. No, it's because you're a bad person who's building their their perspectives or their fears based on nothingness, right? So we're gonna dismiss your concerns entirely as a matter of fact. We're gonna take all of your concerns and all the things you actually care about, and we're gonna classify those as as hate. So we're gonna like in the public opinion battle. We're gonna make it so you you don't even want to speak out. And then what we're going to do, we're going to control all the institutions of power that allow us to communicate and have discussions around this. So you see what's been done over the past 20, 3040, years, and then where we are today, with the resounding reaction in 2024 saying, enough of this. Specifically here in the continental USA. Are we at a point, William, where things are going to start, I say going the other way. I don't know if we really have ever been to the other side of the aisle here, but like, are we going to start seeing a an actual push towards some common sense, some sanity? Are we going to see a resurgence of the progressive leftist mentality, taking these edge cases and using them to become like the ultimate like grenade to just toss into the whole situation and blow it up. Or do we see a concern of this reaction and this pendulum swinging so far the opposite way that maybe it does usher in some of those worst case concerns, fears and scenarios that are more vocal friends on the left or the progressive left have been, have been echoing now for for many years. Do you see any of those three outcomes being more likely than than the rest well? So I definitely agree

Speaker 1  19:55  
with you. I believe what you've outlined is very much the life cycle of a democratic state, right where once security. Is achieved, right? Because this is very much the fundamental function of every state, is achieving this, this national security, the security for its people and their rights and their freedoms. Once security is achieved and kind of maintained for a decent amount of time, the state inevitably starts to push towards liberty and kind of enhancing these rights. And that's that's natural, right? What happens, though, is when your state is so successful is the United States of America that push towards Liberty carries on for decades and decades and decades, as you as you've, as you've outlined, right? And rightly so, right? Because you can guarantee security so well, you can also have so much liberty, the thing but like you rightly pointed out, the pendulum does have to eventually swing back the other way, because abject liberty is also not healthy for a state. I think that what you've which you've outlined, even, is kind of what's happening since 2016 I want to say, with regards to the word populism, I think that everybody who doesn't worship at the altar of liberalism, like modern liberal left, let's call it left wing ideology, because it's definitely not classical liberalism. Yeah, you know, that's an interesting issue, just in and of itself. I think everything's called liberal nowadays is very much illiberal, right? And the word libertarian has come to encompass essentially lock in liberalism, like what Locke writes and the two treaties treatises, right? You would just be called liberal liberalism back in the day. But I think that what you outline is what happened with the term populism. I think that everything that isn't left wing ideology is land is kind of put under this umbrella of populism, whether it is or isn't, and discredited thereby right? Because everybody trots out the goal of populism to shame and scare you away from your political beliefs if it isn't this uber left wing ideology. And like you were saying, like there's this, there's been this domination of the media and kind of all political communication, where I think that you're unable to really express a right wing perspective nowadays, or just, even just a non and non left wing perspective, I guess, in the media or just in the political sphere, without a huge amount of criticism and almost consequence. I want to say so you're exactly right. There's definitely been almost a censorship meted out against everything that isn't utterly left wing.

Brian Nichols  21:58  
So what's the what's the outcome? I mean, do we do we see this reversion towards sanity? Do we see the left wing? You know, it's like, you know, Revenge of the Sith, Revenge of the left do they actually come back for, you know, round 35 I don't know what round they're on now. Or do we see the left wings, worst case scenarios outlined, you know, like right wing populism. Call it what, you know, the right wing fascism. I hear that a lot too. Like is, does that have a chance to become real? What do you think? Well, I

Speaker 1  22:32  
think that we're hoping that the state swings back towards something a little bit more sensible. I just using Canada as an example. Though we we've had a steady national client, like I was pointing out for the past 10 years of the Trudeau Government, and we're setting up to elect another prime minister who's utterly liberal, essentially a carbon copy of Trudeau, if not worse. And then Mike Carney, right? Yeah. And funny, funny enough, right? This guy hasn't he's unelected right now. He is our sitting prime minister, and he hasn't won an election. Is not a Prime member of parliament, not an election at any level. He's an elect.

Brian Nichols  23:04  
He's basically the Canadian version of Kamala Harris. Yeah,

Speaker 1  23:07  
there you go. Exactly right. And I don't know how, like, any any greater, let's say like, catalyst, or kind of, like, let's say like, crystallization of the really severe deterioration of our democracy. Let's say that we have a prime minister. Our head of state literally was not elected. And I think that's, it's horrible. That's horrible, but it very much shows what I was going to get into is just that sometimes this doesn't happen, or it doesn't seem like it's going to happen at least. And that's why I think the Canadian youth are looking to go elsewhere. I think that's why we don't really see that there's there to be any hope in Canada, hope for a future, because nobody has great confidence that another Liberal government, an Uber left wing government, isn't going to be elected again. And I think that that's something that fortunately has happened. Let's say, in the United States of America, you guys have had Donald Trump elected, you had at least a right wing leader, in some sense, take office, and so you don't have to abide by these again, leftist policies that you saw with Barack Obama that just imploded your economy, but we seem to be consigned to at least another four years of it, and that just doesn't bode well for anybody.

Brian Nichols  24:11  
You mentioned the youth a couple times during the conversation, and being much more in favor of, I would say, the ideal of Americanism, right? And then you look in the American youth, just eye opening, jaw dropping, percentage of Gen Z voters flipped from being in favor of Joe Biden and the Democrats in 2020 to like, not just favoring Trump, outright supporting Trump in 2024 and now more and more Gen Z are identifying, self identifying, mind you, as Republican, which for me, I remember a conversation back probably two or three years ago with a former libertarian who's now taken a very large jump off a very large cliff into a very short end of the pool. People mentally speaking, I digress, and that that individual on the show was saying, if the Republicans or libertarians want to win the young vote going forward, they're going to have to embrace climate change, they're going to have to embrace progressive social policies. They're going to have to embrace the idea of academic forgiveness or loan forgiveness for college tuition. And I'm just like, I look at what he outlined as what we needed to do versus seeing the actual results of what's happened. And I'm just like, my goodness, it's night and day. So I say all that you know, Michael, do you happen to see a situation? I mean, this might go this way. I don't know. You tell me, William, like, do you see a situation where it's the young folk who are actually going to save, save our societies? Like, is it? Is it? Is it going to come down to like boomers versus Gen Z, like, like, leftist progressive boomers versus this upstart, more right wing, non per like, not even like, non progressive, like almost anti progressive perspective. What do you think? I

Speaker 1  26:05  
think in a lot of ways, it already has. I mean, I think there's a meme going around to somebody from Brantford, which is an electoral district or city in Ottawa, become some kind of Boomer meme. But I think very much that is very much the case. I think that the reason, for instance, the Canadian youth are looking elsewhere to begin with, is, if you, if you ask people nowadays like, what does it mean to be Canadian, they'd be unable to define it outside of non American in some way, right? And in a by the way,

Brian Nichols  26:32  
what would you say it does mean to be a Canadian? I'm just curious what your your answer that

Speaker 1  26:36  
So nowadays, nowadays, I think it's evaporated, right? I think once upon a time, it was predicated on stuff like being a peacekeeper, very classical liberal values of, again, national security, personal liberty. I think that there's often this, this imagery used of a cultural mosaic versus a melting pot. And I think that we did that very well, kind of being that mosaic very much allowing each person a little bit of space to self determine and to kind of express themselves. And so it became this beautiful and vibrant tapestry, and that's all been, oddly enough, tamped down and just like rent asunder in the name of diversity, I meant to say earlier, actually, when everybody speaks about diversity, they're speaking almost exclusively about race or ethnicity. They don't and they don't and they don't really mean diversity of perspective or ideology, right? It's almost the opposite. They want one unique perspective and everybody to look very different, as opposed to kind of everybody to look the same and to think differently. And I think that's significant.

Brian Nichols  27:37  
It's significant for sure, and it's also concerning that this is the mentality that so many folks they harbored for a number of years, like this idea that that it's, it's in pursuit of this big gray blob of, you know, we're all the same, versus, hey, I'm different. I'm told I'm different all the time. But you know what? It's those differences that I think we should be able to celebrate it. It's, um, the old MTV commercial with the Celebrate your differences, which, if anybody's you grew up in the 90s, saw that they know I'm talking about, and probably wouldn't, probably wouldn't get the green light to go on air today, but, like, yes, celebrate your differences, right? That is, that is something that I used to think was American, like E Pluribus Unum from many one, but not just all one blob of gross. It's all those individual characteristics, ideologies, perspectives, religions, like, viewpoints, all of that coming together and and seeing that there is value in each of those different ways of doing things like and by the way, like, that's also how you keep us on track. Because if the blob says we need to go this direction and this direction is wrong, right? Who's there to actually hold the blob to account? Nobody. But if you have, you know large groups of individual you know individual religions or politics or of socioeconomic status, whatever it may be who are, who are loudly and proudly saying we should go this route, or we should go this route. And then you can back to the idea of, really the idea of America to have all these little testing grounds to figure out which states are doing things better versus the others. And maybe start to look and see what those states are doing and do it better on your end, right? Like this. This was not a foreign idea. This was, this was the bedrock of American civilization and foundation, and yet we're here. We are today in 2025 William, and you see how that perspective has been. So it's been so ignored, it's been pushed to the side. I would argue, in many instances, it was intentionally done. So when you look at our government schooling systems. So I guess I say all that, my final thought today is that as doom and gloom, as as frustrating as things have felt, I do think we're on the right path. I think we're seeing right now, especially. Actually the people the part that's actually important, not the governments themselves, but the people around those governments who give those governments authority, they are starting to speak out. They are starting to ask questions, questions that allow folks in those positions of government are very uncomfortable in answering. And good keep them uncomfortable, right? And I guess you know, going forward, I do pray that we find some positives coming from the changes. But, and I do want to say this before I turn things over to you for your final thoughts, we have to be careful, because the slip ups right, like the one off edge cases that could be the ammunition to be the empire that strikes back right like those are the things we have to keep in mind. So for every kilmar illegal alien from El Salvador who is an edge case, and it's obviously there's a lot of intricacies and nuances behind the actual like situation with this one individual that's being used right now by the American progressive left to speak against what has been taking place in trying to deport the, what, 20 plus million illegal aliens who crossed our border in a four year period, right? So you're gonna see that there will be folks who will fight back, and we have to make sure that we're not giving them, you know, all the ammunition that they need to, you know, turn it on us. So I guess, you know, that's my very, you know, convoluted, you know, going in a circle. Final thought for today, I was trying to make it into a nice, neat bow. I don't know, I thought we made it work, but William, what do you have for us on your end to bring us home today? What are your final thoughts?

Speaker 1  31:31  
Well, something you said really struck me earlier, and I think kind of like what you're, everybody's special, you know, and I think that there's kind of this fundamental tension that's really being expressed in society nowadays, and it's, it's very much predicated upon this, uh, maybe the this, this lie that we're, we're all told when we're quite young, right? The first thing I think that everybody's told when they're, when they're, again, quite young, is that they're special. Like you were saying, everybody, you're so special, you're the most special. You're everybody's unique. You're unique, you're so special, right? Then you kind of go off to school and you get educated and almost the first thing that you hear is that everybody is the same, you know? And I think that you kind of can't have both of those things at the same time. If you think about it, you can't all be special. You can't all be the same or equal, right? And this creates a tension with within each person. But

Brian Nichols  32:15  
by the way, William, I'm not sure if you ever watched that movie, The Incredibles, one of my all time favorites. That's one of those syndromes, golden lines. He goes, when everybody's super nobody is.

Speaker 1  32:24  
I haven't seen it, but like, bang on. This is exactly it right, like, and it just simply can't be true, right? And I think that people have to make a decision for themselves, right? And ultimately, that decision whichever one they choose to believe. I'm not going to comment on which is right or which is wrong. I think you know, you stay in the same place, but you make this decision, and I think it determines whether or not you're susceptible, let's say, to communism, socialism, and kind of that, that that type of thinking, and that's kind of your your political preference and ideology going forward. Whereas if you decide that everybody is special and that you can solve problems like, kind of via your own ingenuity and ideals ideas, you tend much more towards liberalism. Communism becomes abhorrent you. It simply doesn't. It doesn't cross your mind because you understand, like the beauty that lies in that, again, that beautiful tapestry or mosaic, and just like that gray that you're talking about, just simply unappealing. Yep.

Brian Nichols  33:15  
Oh man, William, well, hey, listen, I hate to put an end to such a fun conversation, but alas, we are already over our 30 minute time frame here. So with that being said, this is the part where we have to start wrapping up. I know sad face. However, what we're going to do is make sure folks who are enjoying today's conversation can say, Oh, we can continue the conversation by reaching out to William. So William, I know you're very big and young voices. Obviously you're doing a lot of great work over there. You have articles going over at places like the political insider. But beyond that, working folks go ahead reach out social media email if they want to continue the conversation

Speaker 1  33:47  
today. Yeah, for sure. If you guys want to send me an email, you can send me email at william.barclay@pcbg.com or.ca sorry. And if you want to hit me up on Twitter, you can reach me at at will, Barclay, BBC,

Brian Nichols  33:58  
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