969: Is a New Cold War Starting?

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Unknown Speaker  1:08  
I am doing well. Thanks for having me on.

Brian Nichols  1:11  
Great to have you here, man. Before we dig into yes this article over at Real Clear world, do us a favor. Ed, introduce yourself to The Brian Nichols Show. Audience, absolutely

Speaker 1  1:19  
yes. Yeah. My name is Ed Tarnowski. I am my day job as being a policy and advocacy director and host of the state of choice podcast over at choice. I'm also a young voice to contributor right in a varying number of topics, including foreign policy,

Brian Nichols  1:33  
good stuff, good stuff. Well, let's dig right into your article here today. Poland is a model US ally. Let's act like it. Yeah, this is obviously during the conversation we're having right now at the heat of the Ukraine, Russian war. What's America's role in this war? Then we have the rising tensions over in Iran. We have the whole Israel, Gaza Strip, Palestinian Hamas debacle taking place down there. Oh, yeah. And by the way, China is being China and doing China things over in the eastern Pacific. So there's a lot of stuff that's happening in the world, Ed, to say the least. And yet, when you look at the American political conversation, it seems like a lot of folks, they they get stuck more on, you know, what we wish an ally would look like, versus actually looking at countries who are already out there, who I would dare say are allies, and doing things right. And this is the the crux of your article today. Let's look at Poland as not just a great ally, but a model of what we should expect from other allies. With that being said, Ed, the floor is yours. Take it away, absolutely.

Speaker 1  2:34  
And all those, all those things you said going on in the world, those are all great reasons to have strong allies and why it's important that we have friends. But yeah, what happened in the essentially, little A little while ago, Elon Musk was on x, as he does posting, and he was getting into a conversation in the replies with someone about how Starlink is is so important to the Ukrainian army. And he implied that if he were to shut it off, it's he said it was the back one of the Ukrainian army said, if you shut it off, he could cripple them, or something of that nature. And this caught the attention of the Polish Foreign Minister, and he kind of made a comment saying, like, hey, like, we contribute to Ukraine's access to Starlink, the funding for it. If Starlink proves unreliable, Starlink ever proves unreliable, we'll have to look at other other sources. And I think what it is is I have a lot of respect for Elon Musk. I think a lot of what he's doing at Doge is really in the spirit. The spirit of what's being done to Doge is really important. We need to be cutting government. His work at Starlink is and Tesla are vital to national security. However, sometimes they think he doesn't realize the weight of his words. I think foreign leaders see him as a very, very influential, close advisor, even if unofficial, to the President. So when he says something like that, they take it very seriously, and I think that made them a little nervous. And we want, we want to, we want to, we want to reassure our strongest allies, not pick fights with them on Twitter, because Elon then responded and made a comment about him being a little man or and something of the name of the the effect of like, they contribute only a small amount. And again, we just don't need to be picking these fights on Twitter with with our close allies. Essentially,

Brian Nichols  4:16  
sorry, it's not funny. I just, I think back to the the old expression people used to say, get off the internet. Twitter's not real life. I think it might be. I don't know. I'm just saying, but yeah, no, Ed, you're definitely hitting on something here. Because when you look at not just how America has been approaching foreign policy, and this isn't necessarily just, you know, a thing with the Trump administration, let's go back to the Biden administration. Trump won back between 2016 and 2020 it never really felt like we kind of, you know, okay, here's a silly analogy, right? Like, think, how old are you, Ed, I'm sorry, 2727 All right, so let's just say, you know you and I were younger. Again, we're in our teens, right? And we're trying to figure. You're out the whole dating thing right before you go and you start, you know, asking any girl that you see, hey, you want to go to a dance or, Hey, you want to go to the movies or dinner, I don't know what, I haven't dated, and a long, long, long time, so it's been, you know, it's very alien to me. So hopefully that we stay that route. But with that being said, right, like, you don't just go out and start asking anybody you have in your mind what the right girl for you looks like, or the right relationship looks like, right? And yet, it doesn't really feel like we've done that here in America. Or if we have, maybe we're not doing it in the right way. Or, you know, we're saying we want thing, but then, you know, we go, we go a different direction. We go towards the Crazy, right? So, like this is where I'm at, is saying first, we have to first identify who it is we actually want to ally ourselves with. So what was it about Poland that you looked at and said, you know, these guys are doing it right, and shame on us for not paying attention to that

Speaker 1  5:53  
right. And the important, I think the important thing here is consistent. We should be consistent on because there are many things. There are many reasons to be frustrated with some of our allies who are not someone so model allies, and we should and so, for example, there are certain NATO allies who are not paying what they're supposed to be paying, and the NATO defense requirement Poland is paying double that there is the highest of any NATO member by percentage, and they're on track to reach near nearly 5% by the end of this year. That sounds significant. Wow, right? And there they have announced they're going to increase the size of their army from 200,000 to 500,000 that require all men in the country to receive military training. So what we want, what we're looking at here is what one of the biggest critiques, as I mentioned, is, okay, a lot of our allies aren't stepping up, but Poland is stepping up, and it's just as important to highlight the countries that are stepping up to the plate being a strong ally. You know, taking this moment seriously for our collective defense and for their defense, it's just as important to highlight what what a model ally ought to be as calling out the ones who need to improve. So again, we should be consistent here criticize the ones who are worth the criticism of, or at least criticize on the right thing. But we don't need to be antagonizing Poland when it when they're one of our, truly one of our strongest allies.

Brian Nichols  7:16  
So let's, let's talk more about not just Poland in this case, but other countries that you would say, maybe same church, different pew, right, like countries that they're doing the right things, much like you're identifying Poland as doing the right things today. What would those other countries look like? And I guess, what are things that the American populace can look to and say, oh, yeah, I get that

Speaker 1  7:38  
right. Well, I'd say Poland, the Baltic states. I look to the Czech Republic as well. I mean, I think eastern central Europe and and this, this one gets personal for me, because my grandmother was born in Poland. She fled communist poll in the early 60s. So I know from the stories from her that passion in people that lived in this under under communism. And that's, I think, why we see our Central and Eastern European allies taking this moment so seriously. You see them like again, Poland has been. They have taken on without question the being the center of the flow of Western Asia, Ukraine, the Baltics, I think Estonia was spending like it was like 14% at one point of his military budget. Military budget sending aid to Ukraine. So we there's a there's a there are a lot many allies to criticize who haven't set that to the plate. But we see ours, most of our central and European, Central and Eastern European allies, truly stepping up paying, paying what they should be leading the conversation they spoke a clear eyed about Russia long before Germany did, for example, I mean, they've been just, just like we as the Americans, we have, we've been yelling at Germany for years to stop using Russian gas. These are essentially Europeans are worried about this as well, long before the war started. And I think they've just been truly vindicated. And they've also proven they've, matched the rhetoric with action, and that's what we should look for in allies.

Brian Nichols  9:03  
All right, now I get to play devil's advocate because I'm the host. That's my job, Ed, let's talk about the flip side of the coin, right? And let's go back to the sorry, just made me think of a joke. You know? It's the guy saying, hey, you know he's in World War One. He goes, is this world war one or World War Two. What just the World War? I'll see you later, right? Let's go back to World War One or otherwise. In 1914 known as the World War, we saw one of the main problems to be the catalyst to said World War was these things called entangling alliances, right? Franz, Archduke, Franz Ferdinand gets assassinated by an assassin's bullet, and then all sudden, the entire continent of Europe is at each other's throats, and somehow we get looped into that as well. Thanks. Woodrow Wilson, gotta love that. But with that being said, Ed, right, is there a concern of. Of America, building these relationships with so many countries and allying ourselves with with, you know, I wouldn't say countries that that are WAR READY, but like they're definitely on the brink. Right? Is that putting America into positions of danger? You would say when we're allying ourselves with folks who are quite literally on the edge of the battlefields as they present themselves today. No, I'm glad

Speaker 1  10:24  
you brought that up. And I will say, I think the NATO, the NATO alliance, the history of it, speaks for itself. In the past 70 years, we've largely seen peace on the continent, up in Europe, up until Russia invaded, Ukraine has done a phenomenal job at keeping peace. And I think it's a little different, because many of the alliances that we saw in World War One were inconsistent, not ideologically, necessarily together. NATO is this purpose that you have to be a democracy, for example, you have to you have to align with Western values. And so far, it has worked and the and the idea and remember that NATO was only defensive alliance. So its purpose is deterrence. We want our our adversaries to see that we're that we're so strong that there is that war never comes. That's the idea behind going to collect your defense. Reagan peace through the strength doctrine, build us up to be so strong that no one ever screws with us, essentially. And I think the history we speak for itself, and I know it's it times are changing, and we have seen that Russia invade Ukraine really sent shock waves. But I think the best thing we can do, and to keep peace, to make sure that we don't get dragged in future wars, is keep that deterrence up. And that's why we want to look for because Poland and the Baltics are aren't arming to invade Russia. They're arming to deter Russia from ever thinking about invading them, or to be prepared if, God forbid, that ever happens. They're not looking to antagonize Russia. Is purely pure, purely defensive actions.

Brian Nichols  11:58  
Interesting, so let's just say, you know, Ed, I give you this, this magic phone, and this magic phone actually connects right to that big red phone on Trump's desk, right in the Oval Office, so you get to pick up the phone. And I'm actually, I'm surprised Donald Trump said he wanted to hear specifically from you, Ed, in terms of your foreign policy recommendations and prescriptions. He read your article at real clear world. He said this, this Ed Tarnowski, guy, he's got to figure it out. So, so, Ed, you're on the phone with the President. What are the the strategic, the strategic recommendations you would make in terms of not just allying ourselves with countries like Poland, but just, you know, if you had to give them some suggestions, not just, and let's be beyond Europe, right? Any other areas across the globe that you're like, hey, you know, President Trump, pay attention to these areas, these countries, these would be really good folks to ally ourselves with as well, right? And

Speaker 1  12:51  
I really do sympathize with the goal, at least, of wanting to bring peace in the in the Russian Ukraine, conflict in the war. However, I think the approach misses some points. I think at the end of the day, we had to remember that Russia is not an honest broker. We've seen. I mean, they've agreed to a million things and they and they break it constantly, one of them being that they would never read Ukraine. So I think he has to approach approach this with a little bit of more skepticism when trying to negotiate with Putin. And I think he did see some of that. Remember, he was just at the Vatican meeting with Zelensky. He put out a post about it after saying, Why is Putin still hitting these civilian areas? Maybe I'm maybe he's trying to take me for a ride. So I think he's, he is starting to see that a little more, because he really, he wants me peace, but the Russians have clearly not been honest brokers here. They declared a ceasefire, for example, for Easter, they broke it, but almost immediately, so again, I think as this moves forward, he's going he's realizing more that the Russians are not honest brokers right now, and we want and I think we need to shift the conversation to approaching this from getting peace. I think peace has to be brought with the West and Ukraine being in a position of strength. You can't just, like, kind of, it's not as simple as just you're making concessions, but then what are you getting in return? What's going to stop without a security guarantee, for example, what's going to stop Russia from just invading again in a year, regrouping and coming back? Terms of alliances? I would say, Yeah. I would say, continue showing up that relationship with Poland the Baltics. They're clear eyed, on, on, on the threat of of Russian tyranny, on and generally, in the West, in general, I hear them speaking up more about China. Now that's hard. You don't hear that as much in Europe, but we are hearing it more from our Eastern, Central European allies. There's because China has been involved in the in in the in the in the war. They've been supply, helping supply Russia, and they've been helping, you know, get around sanctions and things like. That. So I'd say show up those relationships, the allies that are proving themselves to be reliable allies, and kind of steer clear of antagonizing them on Twitter.

Brian Nichols  15:10  
All right, I'm sorry, and I gotta push back a little bit name names. Do me a favor here. Let's, let's name names. I want to know who are these model ally countries out there, because it's one thing to kind of set a rule, right, which I'm all about, setting rules that we can live by. But, okay, here's the rule, Poland, they're great. They're a model example of an ally. What other countries do you see, like Japan, Taiwan, India, like we're hearing all these names pop up right now in foreign policy. Are any of these other countries in the same spirit of a Poland? Are they model allies? Are there other countries I didn't mention, what do you

Speaker 1  15:42  
think? Right? Well, certainly. I mean, to name a few. I mean, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, they're with, they're really with the polish on this. Japan is a is a vital ally, Japan and and we're seeing the threat of China bring Japan and South Korea together in a way that many thought would never happen, because they're, they're now, they're rallying around this, this vital goal of preventing Chinese aggression. They're really worried about China invading Taiwan, and we need to strengthen those alliances. Include and with both, both militarily, and frankly, with trade as well. We don't want to scare them off and create too much uncertainty. I'd say, with the trade, make a deal as soon as you can, if that gets this better deal. I think that's great, but let's get there. Yeah, but no. Japan and South Korea are excellent examples. Taiwan is an excellent example, although I think Taiwan needs to spend a little bit more defense, considering what's going on or what could happen. We see China doing a massive military build up right now the Philippines are going to be emerging as a, I think, as a continued, stronger ally. They're being antagonized by China, although, and oftentimes it's they're just trying to fish, and China's like, kind of coming and and screwing with that. So those are some examples that I would think of Australia, probably as as things heat up in the Pacific. But yeah, it's, I'd say they're, they're proving themselves, and I think that they're going to continue to want to strengthen their alliance with us as the threat of China and and just generally, the threat of authoritarians around the world are, are growing. It's the threat is growing, I should say. And I think that's going to continue to to rally them to want stronger relationships with the US. You

Brian Nichols  17:22  
said, they're just trying to fish, and then they're just going after them. And maybe think of my daughter's one of her favorite movies, Moana sounds like the you know, there's out there trying to fish and Maui, the bad guys just he's going after him. Um, man, when you're a dad, you'd watch those movies, I'm not kidding, like daily, and they just stick in your head. I have all the Moana soundtrack. It's on loop in my head. God, gotta love it. Ed, but do me a favor here. Let's, let's answer, if you have an answer to this very tough and dare I say, scary question, and that is, Ed, do you feel that with all these, you know, these alliances that are starting to build out more, and you mentioned China strengthening their military, there's been a push, obviously, for America to do the same. You're seeing that the turmoil in the Middle East. You're seeing the turmoil in Eastern Europe. You're seeing potential turmoil happening between India and Pakistan right now. Obviously, all has been happening over in the eastern Pacific, with China, Taiwan. I mean, the world right now feels like it's a powder keg. Are we at a point that we're kind of in this Cold War 2.0

Speaker 1  18:26  
I believe we are in a cold war 2.0 with China already. I certainly think. I know that the Chinese feel that way. I think our I hope that our religious here in America can recognize that, because to deal with the threat, you have to understand it, or at least acknowledge it. Oftentimes, you still saw the Biden administration referring to China as a competitor instead of an adversary. And I think that's naive. Um, I think it's I think what we're seeing now is the post World War Two, we saw a level of relative peace that, honestly, for most of world history, we didn't have. And I think right now, you're starting to see the world's authoritarians, autocrats start to test those boundaries. Russia invaded Ukraine was a big, was a big breaking of the of those norms. And I think it was a big part of what triggered it was the failed, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, I think that the reason that they're testing it is they're starting to doubt the West's resolve, and we want to restore that, that deterrence, to stop this from spiraling out of control around the world. Because we do see the world authoritarians testing the waters, and that can get dangerous very

Brian Nichols  19:39  
quickly. So I want to pose this question to you. So Bill Buckley, William Buckley, for those playing along in the home game, very prominent conservative thinker back from the late 20th century. I actually had his nephew on the show. William F Buckley O'Reilly here on the show from the Federalist Party of America. So there you go, folks. There's. Fun fact, but back during the Cold War, the argument from the senior Buckley was that, listen, libertarians, non interventionists, I hear you. I hear you. Actually, you're right, right. You're right. We should be reducing the size, scope and scale of government. I agree with you, but there is this country out there, big, scary country called the Soviet Union. And hey, we're in this Cold War, and in order to actually compete and maintain world peace, sorry, we have to create this large federal Leviathan. We have to be able to fight fire with fire, and once we eliminate this threat, then I'm on board, then we will go towards libertopia. Didn't happen. Didn't happen. And you fast forward to where we are today. I don't know. I'm just looking around. I see, not well. I mean, it is Russia, just, just different name, right? No longer the Soviet Union, but I'm seeing other countries across the globe, the ones we've mentioned here, you know during the episode, who they're big bullies on the street too. So I guess the question I'm trying to ask your ED is that, is there ever a moment when, and I'm not saying you or any of this persuasion thought, but more of a neoconservative piece through strength, you know, bully pulpit, like, call it what you will. But is there ever a time when we see America taking a step back, not from influence, but from being this world's policeman, right? And I've had many a conversation, many a debate here on the show, Abdullah, Hayek, Kyle Moran, we dug into this, and we've had some

Unknown Speaker  21:42  
of mine. We went to school together, actually. Oh,

Brian Nichols  21:45  
no kidding. Okay, well, by the way, go check out that episode. I think they were really good, you know, good back and forth. But this question is a little bit different, because I heard, I heard, in past tense, you know, now I wasn't alive when William F Buckley was saying this, I did talk to his nephew, though I did say that. But like, with that being said, like we heard, this narrative of the Libertarians are right, the small, you know, constitutionalist conservatives, they're right. We just can't do it yet. Will there ever be a time from that type of perspective that we we can say, hey, all right, we're gonna take a step back, and that's okay.

Speaker 1  22:23  
Well, I will say this. You know, one of the best things that, one of the things that allowed us to slash the military budget was actually from building up our military and winning the Cold War. Peace dividends were real. We were able to slash our defense spending after the Cold War because the 90s were just everything seemed like it was, hey, maybe we really, for a moment it seemed like the end of history, as they said, that didn't work out. It didn't, of course, happen the way we some people thought it would happen more long term. But military spending today is still vastly lower than it was during the Cold War, and it was, it was vastly slashed, particularly in the 90s. So I think the the whole thing for me here is, at the end of the day, the goal is peace and and I believe the best way to achieve peace is through deterrence, and that's why I think America needs to continue to as Trump has a line that I actually really like, and he says, we want our military to be so strong that we don't have to use it. And I totally agree with that. The whole idea is like, make our, make our, make our adversaries. Know that they cannot screw with us or our allies, and that is the best way to have peace. So that, I think that's the best way to make sure that we're not having to send our, you know, sons and daughters, out to fight in a war. We don't want to get directed to a war. And I think the best way to do that is to prevent war in the first place. War in the first place. And I think it would be a mistake to withdraw from the world, because I think it would risk we certainly can't trust I don't think the Europeans have it in them alone. I think we need to work with the ones that are the strongest allies. So if America withdraws from the world, I fear that we're going to see Russia and China starting to fill that gap, and that's not a world we want to live in. That's a world of more conflict, more war, and it's much more risky, and it's we're going to it will end up less prosperous, prosperous for it, the relative peace that we've had in the last 75 years has brought us unprecedented prosperity, free navigation of the seas, for example, something we really take for granted, the fact that we that we're able, that there's not just, like constant or skin we saw the Houthis trying to do this for a little bit when they started attacking ships, and we saw inflation. Imagine that on steroids. We're just constantly, there's, there's no free navigation of the seas. We're not, we're not becoming prosperous off of international capitalism.

Brian Nichols  24:45  
And if you had to, I'm going to make you do this, and I'm sorry, but if you had to, in weighing the importance of American domestic policy with American foreign policy, which is more important. Burden and why? Oh, I see

Speaker 1  25:00  
they're equally important. I would give it a 5050, I think at the end of the day, no, the domestic policies have matters if, if we don't have a national defense, if we, if we can't, for not defending ourselves, and we're having to be constantly at war, and then we can't focus on the domestic issues. I think the relative piece that we've created has allowed us to focus more on domestic issues, which has been, which has been for the best. I think of a withdrawal from, from from the world and from foreign policy would be a mistake, and would have it, would leave us in a situation where we can focus less on on things like just improving quality of life. So I say 5050, I mean, of course, I mean, domestic foreign policy allows you to focus on domestic policy.

Brian Nichols  25:44  
Interesting, interesting, because, and listen, this is no secret. I'm a libertarian at heart. Um, though the Libertarians are all mad at me because they're libertarians. Um, because I don't, I don't, I don't drink the Kool Aid. And I, I actually say this tastes funny. Hold on, don't drink the whole gap. Oh, it's too late. But with that being said, right, like I look at where we are today and our involvement in all these foreign conflicts overseas, and I just get nervous, man, I get nervous because I hear you, I hear that they should be equally important, but then I look at the very real pain and suffering that a lot of Americans are dealing with a daily basis. And that's not even factoring in both the natural disasters as well as the other just random disasters, like a train derailment, and not Palestine, but East Palestine in Ohio, right? And And have we heard from that? No. Have we heard? Did? Did Flint ever get their drinking water? Please. Someone respond to me in the comments and let me know they did okay. Thank God, because, like, we have those issues. We have the the LA wildflower fires, the Maui wild flowers, flower Say that 10 times fast the mouth Maui wild fires, there we go. Not wild flowers. That would be a that'd be a picnic. No wild fires. You have the the natural disasters down in South Carolina, North Carolina, in the in from those hurricanes, like we see, the very real damage that your, your American communities have been experiencing. And I mean, mind you, that's in the past. What calendar year two, calendar years. So for your average American, who they live and die, quite literally, from our domestic policy. And this is the main argument I made with Abdullah when he was on the show. As I'm saying, listen, bro, I think you might be too focused on the Listen, like I get it. American foreign policy is important, but when you're not, I'm not saying you're sacrificing the foreign policy at the expense of the domestic policy. But from the perspective of the voter, when they see their politicians talking about, we're gonna stand with Ukraine because they're the only democracy in the east, or we're gonna fight against China, it's like, Dude, I can't pay my bills. The road has a huge hole in it. Can you come fix this? Right? That's where folks are at. And my concern to Abdullah was, you're gonna push people to the point where they're gonna say, f it fine, America first. How about America only? Because that's what I need to care about right now. Like, I can control what I can control. And I know the audience is like, here he goes against. I've used this example a million times. But like, whenever I'd have my sales team and I'd have like, my sales guy, you'd be like, Oh my God, why did he not? Why did this sales guy not process this lead fast enough it's gonna hurt my commissions? But he just, like, freaks out. I'm like, dude, David, chill, control what you can control, right? Like, like, do the things you can control, and you apply that to policy. Americans are looking around saying, dude, all I can control really is my local environment, right? I can, I can know that I'm gonna have, you know, my vote one out of 2000 for Mayor versus one out of 2 million for my congressional representative. That which is, you know, then I'm one out of 45 million when it comes to voting for president, right? So, like you see your impact scale reduced. So naturally, it makes sense for people to start saying, I'm going to focus only on the things that I can see, touch, taste, smell, hear, which is in my immediate purview, and my concern is that in the pursuit of maintaining this comfortable lifestyle that we've established over the post cold war era that we're gonna end up creating unintentional, bigger hardships, because in the pursuit of maintaining the comfortability, we're fundamentally neglecting very real issues that the country is facing. Now, I'm using that as my final thoughts for today, but also, I guess that is kind of framed in a question. So I'll let you do this. Ed for your for your final thoughts today, feel free to respond to me, but also feel free to to bring us home. Wrap this episode up with a nice, neat bow, absolutely

Speaker 1  29:50  
well, I'd say this and and I hear you. I mean, these kitchen table issues are vital. I mean, we need to focus on them. And I think part of. Part, this is why I often get frustrated with the way our political leaders speak about these issues, because I think we need to do a better idea at explaining why we do the things we do in foreign policy. And it shouldn't just be because it's not, it's not charity, and I think that we need to remind people of that often. I think because, like, at least, at least it shouldn't be charity. America's foreign policy should always be in America's interests. I think, I believe, it's in America's interests to keep relative peace in the world, so we're not having to get dragged into conflicts later on. It's a deterrence, and I think not being attracted to conflicts around the more conflicts around the world that might break out as a result of failed deterrence. This allows us to focus more on domestic policy, because we're not so busy getting dragged to something that's much worse than what we're much more expensive than what we're spending now for deterring that from happening in the first place, those kitchen table issues are vital. We need to focus a lot, and this is why I love the conversation that we're having right now around better government efficiency. Get, like, getting, getting, getting the bureaucracy out of things I love that we need. We want. We need government to be more efficient. We need to be smaller, and we need to let get back to, you know, letting the private sector take off, letting individuals decide. I'm all with you there, and, and I think, you know, capitalism, free markets, individual liberty, that's the best way that we can improve lives, not mark up from

Brian Nichols  31:28  
it. Ed tarnasky, it's been a pleasure having you in the show. The article was, Poland is a model US ally. Let's act like it found over at Real Clear world. Um, obviously, Ed, you are writing as a part of our good friends over at young voices do us a favor. Where can folks go ahead, follow you. If they want to learn more, check out some more of your work. But also they want to continue the conversation. Social Media Links

Speaker 1  31:49  
absolutely full. Go on. Go ahead and follow me on Twitter at Ed Tarnowski, you can also find me on young voices website under the talent section. But no, it was a pleasure to be on today. I had so much fun with the conversation. I love to come back anytime.

Brian Nichols  32:05  
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Speaker 1  34:54  
I think we about covered it, but thank you again for having me on and I have an article on. On, on Malay. So maybe we can talk about that one soon. I have a I can only, I only have good things to say. So there

Brian Nichols  35:06  
we go. I love it, my libertarian hero, you got nothing but good things to say. I hear a part two conversation coming up here, real soon. There you go. I love it, alright. So put that, yeah, in the the archives there, folks, we will be having a conversation. Deep Dive Into Javier Malay. So make sure you hit that subscribe button so you miss a single time we have one of those conversations. Hit your your news feed, hit your podcast. What are those things called podcast feeds? Your YouTube homepage. I don't know. Just do me a favor. Don't forget to subscribe. And with that being said, Brian Nichols, signing off. You're on The Brian Nichols Show for Ed Tarnowski, we'll see you next time. Thanks.

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