Nov. 11, 2021

378: Ron Paul & Taking on the NeoCons (feat. Jack Hunter)

378: Ron Paul & Taking on the NeoCons (feat. Jack Hunter)

"But Ron Paul had a big impact in 2008, where he sort of sucker-punch the tail end of the Bush-Cheney Republican Party. And it's something that people remember to this day."

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Jack Hunter: "But Ron Paul had a big impact in 2008, where he sort of sucker-punch the tail end of the Bush-Cheney Republican Party. And it's something that people remember to this day." 


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It's great to be with you guys here today. And I have to say, you know, Brian just said the floor was mine. And I wanted to talk about something that when I was the age of a lot of younger Liberty people 1920 years old, I thought would be my life's goal. It would be the one thing I would fight for in politics, at least, that might not ever happen, but kind of has happened. And I'll get to that at the end. But when I was 1920 years old, you know, I'd been listening to talk radio and learning about conservatism. I started to call myself a conservative, but my hero and this would be in the late 90s was Pat Buchanan. The primary reason I was an anti war conservative, and at that time, if you were on the right, and you're anti war, that's all there was there was just pat, and I like patents campaigns. He won the New Hampshire primary in 1996. That was a big deal. I was living in Boston at the time for my accent, you can tell from Boston. I'm kidding. I'm not. But I was living there at the time. But he was an inspiration. It was a big deal much the same way that Ron Paul was for so many young people, you know, a decade and a half, two decades later. So at the time, the neo-cons ruled the roost. Let's jump up to 2000 when George W. Bush was elected, of course, we had 911. And in 2003, we invaded Iraq proceeded by invading Afghanistan, which was a little bit more complicated in Iraq, which was a complete ruse, I believe, to somebody who generally voted Republican or actually third party in most presidential elections. I wasn't voting for the mainstream Republicans because they were awful, but wasn't gonna vote for the Democrat either. I thought that the goal should be to kick the neoconservatives out of the Republican Party, and I would be an 80 or 90 are dead man. And that still wouldn't have happened. But I thought it was worth doing. I thought it was needed. I thought they were one of the most destructive forces in our country in Iraq more certainly prove that in a big way. So fast forward to Ron Paul runs for president in 2007 2008. I'd been working in talk radio, I quit calling myself a conservative, because people would say, Oh, you think Dick Cheney is pretty great and support the Patriot Act and torture. And that's not what I did support any of those things. People even called me a progressive or a liberal. Conservatives called me that because conservative identity was, you know, unqualified support for Bush, Cheney and all the things I just mentioned. So Ron Paul comes along, I knew who Ron Paul was, I admired Ron Paul. And I wasn't a libertarian at the time, but we were both anti war, when I saw him start drawing, you know, 1000s of people 1000s of young people, to his cause his anti war message. I was astounded. I couldn't believe it. That's what attracted me to Ron Paul. And it made me not only get so interested in this anti war candidate, but I became more libertarian, I began to change my mind about a number of issues, immigration being at the top of the list, and how we think about that I'm for border security. I'm not an open borders person, but I think we could do this a whole lot better than we've been doing it.

So I got attracted to Ron Paul. I saw the movement coming his way I saw so many people coming his way rather the Republican Party actually loads. Ron Paul. At the time, it was independents. It was people who used to be sort of Bush's who were becoming more libertarian. But Ron had a big impact in 2008, where he sort of Sucker Punch the tail end of the bush Cheney Republican Party. And it's something that people remember to this day. And of course, when he ran in 2012, we're in the throes of the Tea Party. And it began to be well, Obama's thinking about bombing Syria now and Obama did bomb Libya. Well, we don't like him. That's bad. We don't want anything to do with that begin to be more of a mixture and the Republican Party in the conservative movement. Do we have to be so wedded to war and all this bush Cheney, era rhetoric? And the answer increasingly, to many people was no, we don't fact I don't think this is a good idea. Let me get out of this old bush headspace, Ron Paul's influence. I can't tell you how much that had on people after his post 2008 race and being able to point to that and take anti war positions in 2012. As I said, we were more in the Tea Party era, it became more and more okay to be like that. But the Neo cons were still there. They were still in the driver's seat to a large degree Mitt Romney ran, you know, was the nominee in 2012 Awful do con on foreign policy, he just you know, Bill Kristol to name any of them. He's just like them and pretty much believes the same thing. They do lists Cheney. Then we got to 2016 Of course, Rand Paul ran for President and Senator Rand Paul was instrumental in pushing that anti war message throughout the Obama years. And after his father had retired from Congress and politics, this is the liberty movement action. So with Donald Trump ran like a lot of people's like, What the hell is this? Like? Is this thing like the guy from home alone? And you know, in rap videos, and, you know, his TV show, like, is this guy going to be president? And he did. We know the history there now. But I think a big moment for me as a South Carolinian and as an anti war conservative and I wasn't some big Trump supporter anything. When he stood on a debate stage in Myrtle Beach and South Carolina, which is my home state, and told that entire crowd, Bush lied, people die. There were no W MDS. It was the worst mistake in American history. And there were some boos, and there were people on cable news, writing the man off and saying, Oh, he's done. He's toast. And he came back he won South Carolina, big in the primary and of course, became president United States. That was a stake in the heart of the old neocon narrative within the Republican Party, Ron Paul, a kind of Goddess there some Rand Paul sort of massage that and made it more and more okay during the Tea Party Obama era to be anti war. And then here comes Trump, who's this red meat guy that the base absolutely loves. And while his foreign policy is president was a mixed bag, it was certainly better than many of his predecessors. He didn't start any new wars. But he did a number of things I don't like but I'm just talking about messaging and what's possible on the right with the Republican Party in the conservative movement at the moment, he's sort of in a big way took the Ron Paul anti war message as in the Rampaul. anti war message in the at the time Justin Amash anti war message the Thomas Mansi, anti war message, newcomer Nancy mais anti war message to Young Americans for Liberty AFI war message, and made it a permanent thing within the Republican Party. So here we are in 2021. And the arguments on the right largely, you don't have a lot of people following the neoconservatives they still exist. They are institutionalized. They're not going anywhere. Many of them ran off to the Democratic Party, and they can stay there good riddance. But they're still around, but they don't have the kind of power over the base. They want to enjoy. Ditch, Cheney, Liz Cheney, these people, the base just isn't in line with them. And that's very encouraging. On the right, you also have sort of, you know, I'm in the liberty movement, I'm a libertarian conservative, you have the national conservatives, who might in my general meetings with these people, and people I know, friends of mine who subscribe to this, generally are with us on foreign policy Trumpian American first foreign policy, but they want to do like, you know, right wing versions of what Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders wants to do. So obviously, I don't agree on that. I'm for free markets and true capitalism. And I think they're against a lot of that. But the point of bringing them up is, they're more with the base and libertarians are more with the base on foreign policy than the neoconservatives who used to. They control that narrative by by far, they were the only game in town. So if you would have told a 19 or 20 year old Jack Hunter, that when you get older that a few decades from now, your dream as a young boy hood, conservative, anti war, whatever, a sort of kicking the Neo cons to the curb within the Republican Party largely come true. We're still fighting them and I think we should fight them any way we can. They're so dangerous. I would like to further submit this idea of America first foreign policy on the right within the conservative movement. keep hammering that keep driving it home, because quite frankly, is the true conservative business. If you go back to the old, right, and you go back to people, you know, Ron Paul would bring up in the debates, Robert Taft statue in Washington DC, Mr. Republican that was closer to his foreign policy. So here we are in 2021. I'm a Ron Paul guy. I'm a Rand Paul guy. Still a Buchanan guy, even though we disagree on a lot of things, but I'm an anti war libertarian conservative, who wanted to put a stake in the heart of the neoconservatives have them big on never to be seen again. It's not quite that good, but it's close enough. And I gotta tell you what a victory it is. And it's cool to live this life and see it in all the many more victories we're not going anywhere. Thanks for being with me today, guys. I really enjoyed it.

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Jack Hunter is Editor of Liberty Tree and the former Editor of Rare Politics. Jack has written regularly for The Washington Examiner, The Daily Caller, The American Conservative and has appeared in Politico Magazine, The Daily Beast and The Spectator (UK). Jack has been a frequent guest on Fox Business, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck and a frequent guest host on The Mike Church Show on Sirius XM. Hunter is the co-author of 'The Tea Party Goes to Washington' by Sen. Rand Paul and assisted former Sen. Jim DeMint with his book 'Now or Never: How to Save America from Economic Collapse.' Jack was also New Media Director for Sen. Paul. Jack lives in Alexandria, Va. Follow him @jackhunter74